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Real Housewives of Orange County: Gretchen’s Tragedy and Glass Houses
It’s season four of Real Housewives of Orange County with two new additions: 30-yr-old Gretchen Rossi and Lynne Curtain, age unknown. Curtain replaced Lauri Waring Peterson after Peterson opted to drop out of the show when her son was arrested for drug possession.
The storyline surrounding Gretchen has her dealing with her boyfriend Jeff’s bout with leukemia. Jeff Beitzel, who was fifty-four, passed away in September.
Beitzel served as Chief Operating Officer and a member of the Board of Directors of Quantuam Fuel System Technologies. A mechanical engineer, Beitzel worked for Ford Motor Co. until 1983. After leaving Ford, Beitzel founded several automotive companies prior to working for Quantuam.
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Jeff Beitzel’s three children from a former marriage were on the most recent episode. The kids, all in their teens, had flown in to be with their father while he was in the hospital. All three of Jeff’s children wanted to be there with their father. They also spoke highly of Gretchen and how she had been by their father’s side during the eight months since he had been diagnosed with cancer.
Last week Gretchen took some time off and spent a couple of days with her family at Bear Lake for the Fourth of July.
So far new Housewife Lynne has been in a shopping mode on the show with her two teenage daughters. The latest trip on episode 5 had Lynne plunking down $1800 for eight articles of clothing and looking to buy a BMW for her oldest daughter when she turned 18.
Lynne met Gretchen for lunch where Gretchen tried to get Lynne to tell how old she was. Lynne, who keeps in great shape with activities such as surfing and kick boxing, wouldn’t tell Gretchen her age. On the first show featuring Lynne, she admitted she was “obsessed” with “staying young” even though raising her two daughters, ages 16 and 18, have probably put a few gray hairs on her head.
On tonight’s show, Lynne’s oldest daughter, Raquel, turned 18. Lynne and her husband of 18 years, Frank, held a luncheon for Raquel where they presented her with a cute little silver BMW. Earlier, before the party, Raquel demanded her younger sister Alexa take off the white dress she had chosen to wear. Raquel wanted to wear the white dress and Alexa wear a blue dress that Raquel was supposed to wear. Such is the drama of having teens, as Raquel pouted her way into getting the white dress while Alexa wore the blue one.
Alexa was in tears at the party after she met her boyfriend in the parking lot of the restaurant. Her boyfriend told her the dress made her look like a “stripper”. Lynne was shocked at his comment as it was her dress. And yes, the dress did look as though it belonged more on a stripper than a 16-yr-old girl.
This season we’re beginning to see more of Tamra Barney both inside and out. On last week’s episode Tamra played up to Vicki Gunvalson on a Four of July trip to Lake Havasu where they brought their families to soak up the 120 degree sun and massive quantities of alcohol.
The episode should have been titled “The Petty Housewives of OC” as Vicki threw a fit after Jeana showed up with Vicki’s nemesis Frankie at Lake Havasu.
Vicki doesn’t like Frankie after the two got into an altercation over a rent issue. Rather than letting it go, Vicki made the decision to throw a hissy fit when she and her family, husband Donn, the kids with their boyfriend/girlfriends, and Tamra’s family met Jeana at a local restaurant. Tamra didn’t help matters by running to Vicki telling her that Jeana had called Vicki a “bitch”.
After watching Tamra for some time it’s apparent that Tamra loves to “stir the pot”. She also brought her small children on the trip where the main activity was to party. And party the bikini-clad Tamra did, with simulated lap dances on her husband Simon’s lap and grabbing hold of his crotch and stroking him because, well, according to Tamra, he was her husband and she “could”. This occurred on the large pontoon boat rented by Vicki in broad daylight, with Tamra’s small children on board. I give Vicki credit because she muttered about how some people should “get a room”.
It was high drama on the Lake Havasu trip as Vicki cried when Jeana showed up with Frankie. She also cried when hit in the head with a wet nerf football, which sadly, her fashionably tattered straw cowboy hat failed to protect.
Tamra cried, after first screeching and cursing, when her oldest son Ryan showed her his newest tattoo, the word “nuggest” inked on the inside of his lower lip. Ironically the alcohol soaked Tamra bemoaned that her son most likely did it to get attention.
The trip to Havasu was full of crying, cursing, screaming, and feeling sorry for oneself and that was just Vicki and Tamra. Everyone else seemed to have a fun time. When Vicki got hit in the noggin, “mean old” Donn came over and gave her a hug and kiss. He did the same when Vicki was in the midst of her hissy fit over Jeana and Frankie. And then there was Vicki’s friend from Arizona. I can’t recall her name even though it will take some time to forget her gigantic fake boobs and her mini-micro bikini.
In the last episode Vicki was, you got it, upset at Jeana after Jeana defended Vicki’s ex-husband who lives in Chicago. According to Vicki, Jeana has the “most dysfunctional family” in OC because Jeana hasn’t thrown her husband Matt, a severe alcoholic, to the curb. It’s called compassion, as Jeana refers to Matt’s struggle with the bottle as a disease, and rightly so. While Vicki turns every occasion into a mini-melodrama about herself, Jeana remains calm and collected.
This week Gretchen was invited to be an extra in ex-Housewife Jo’s music video. Gretchen had met Jo and Slade 6 years ago when the three worked in “real estate”. Later Gretchen met Jeana, Vicki, and Tamra at a new “hip” OC restaurant to meet the newest Housewife Lynne.
Jeana, Vicki, and Tamra immediately noticed that Lynne was “tiny” while Lynne, irked that the conversation centered on Vicki and Tamra’s kids, called “cut” to the amazement of the table. “Queen” Vicki was not amused, nor was Princess Tamra. It was obvious that Lynne didn’t know her place as Vicki mentioned that Lynne should have just sat there and “been quiet” and that Lynne “needed to get a job”. An interesting observation as Tamra had ditched her real estate career and opted to stay home.
Gretchen mentioned that she had spent time at Bear Lake which solicited a comment from Tamra. Tamra told Gretchen that “she wouldn’t have been at Bass Lake”. Gretchen fired back, telling Tamra that until Tamra’s husband gets cancer, Tamra should keep her comment to herself. (High five Gretchen) Gretchen also told Tamra that her comment was unfair.
Tamra and Vicki headed off to the Ladies room while Gretchen teared up. She was floored that, while at an earlier lunch date with Tamra, Tamra had told her she thought Gretchen had been admirable in her taking care of her gravely ill boyfriend. Off camera, Jeana stated that Tamra said she’d never leave her husband’s side if he was in the hospital but that Tamra would leave as everyone needs to take some time off. Jeana said that Gretchen “deserved her day off”.
After Tamra and Vicki returned, Gretchen actually glared at Tamra, right down to Tamra’s none blonde roots and through her fake spray on tan. Off camera Tamra said that she didn’t mean to sound judgmental but that maybe the “truth hurt”. Tamra said if it had been her, she would never have left her husband’s side. Off camera, Gretchen said Tamra was “two faced”. Excellent observation as the “two faced” fits Tamra to a tee.
On tonight’s episode, Tamra’s son Ryan said that the reason he got the “inside his front lower lip” tattoo “Nugget” was because his ex-girlfriend had gotten pregnant but had a miscarriage at 3 months. During an ultrasound Ryan’s ex said the baby looked like a Chicken McNugget. Tamra teared up and told Ryan that someday he’d made a “great husband” and “father”.
Tamra is shallow yet judgmental. Her self esteem is based on her looks, her husband’s looks, and the amount of money her husband makes. It would have been interesting to see what would had happened if, at Tamra’s 40th birthday party, Simon had opted to give her a cheap “$2000″ watch instead of one that cost $40,000. According to Tamra, she’s “worth it”. On tonight’s episode Tamra admitted her father spoiled her like a “Princess” yet during the dinner with Gretchen and the other Housewives, Tamra behaved more like a toad.
Back to the dinner where Lynne met the Housewives. Vicki mentioned she was going to Palm Beach, Florida, for an insurance convention. Jeana made a joke that Vicki was probably going to meet her “six” boyfriends. Vicki’s reaction: she became defensive and declared she didn’t have a boyfriend. Vicki needs a cue card telling her when people are joking. After watching several seasons of Housewives, it’s obvious that Vicki isn’t capable of taking a joke, even a rather innocuous one about her.
Vicki’s self esteem, mostly like because her “love tank” has been empty for some time, is extremely fragile. Vicki didn’t to “warm” to new Housewife, Lynne, as Lynne failed to recognize the Housewives’ pecking order.
Jeana and Vicki are the two remaining original Housewives. Lynne, the same age, and most likely the same income as Vicki, was cited for two “violations”: calling “cut” and asking the table to not talk about “kids” or “cancer”. Lynne wanted to have fun while Vicki wanted to establish the Housewives “protocol”. Lynne didn’t to kiss Vicki’s ass which may have cost her Vicki’s future friendship. Most likely a lucky break for Lynne, as a friendship with Vicki would cost someone their sanity. Which is probably why Tamra and Vicki get along so famously, they both swim in the same “shallow” river called Denial.
What’s amazing is that these women are paid to “live their lives” on a reality show. Yet how much “reality” do viewers actually see? The show is edited, there’s no way to tell whether the producers have opted to slice and dice the video footage in order to add more “drama”. Vicki’s “softer” side may have landed on the cutting room floor while Tamra’s footage might show a whole other “non-shallow” side to Tamra. Lynne might actually spend time not shopping or engaging in activities that keep her in shape while Gretchen has faired more favorably.
It’s hard not to like Gretchen. She’s non-judgmental, pretty, and fun. She’s also sweet and absolutely cared for her boyfriend Jeff, who was 24 years older. Tamra used that bit of information to make wise ass cracks about Gretchen behind her back. Most likely because Gretchen gets her good looks naturally while Tamra has to buy them, in a bottle of blond bleach, fake boobs, and botox injections. But then, to add “drama”, you need characters like Tamra and Vicki. They remind us that, even with the Housewive’s expensive lifestyle, middle school back stabbing and personal pettiness still survives.
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all these women are so immature i found this site with gossip and recaps on the house wives
http://realfauxhousewives.wordpress.com/
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ckulik Reply:
January 14th, 2009 at 09:26
Vicky needs to get off the show. I went through cancer last year and my husband had a hard time with it. I can’t relate to Gretchen because I was on the other side. Tamra is bad, but for some reason Vicky needs to be put in her place. She sucks. Where does she get off treating people like she owns them. She is so annoying. Did you see her walking away at the races, her legs and feet are so ugly. I feel so sorry for her poor husband Don. I Gina would just lay into her and tell her what she really thinks of her. I can’t stand when she yells YaYoo and raises her arm. She thinks she is so hot. It drives me crazy when she was telling Gina not to go there when Gina was talking about Vicky’s ex husband Mike. Gina had a point, but Vicky tells me what to say, think and do. I CAN’T STAND HER. With all your money get some facial surgery done, your a mess.
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Stacy Reply:
January 14th, 2009 at 19:53
Yes I saw the scene of Vicky walking away at the races she looked like a man in high heels ( thats not fair of me most men probably look better walking in heels than Vicky does ). I would be humiliated if I walked like that and probably never wear heels and a mid lenght dress again. Tamra needs more than etiquette classes she needs a heart transplant.
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Sammie Reply:
January 21st, 2009 at 10:47
I TOTALLY LOVE GRETCHEN!! I think she is so beautiful and she has a spunky personality. Even though I think that she truely do care for Jeff, I still feel like she is a typical golddigger. She wouldn’t of looked twice his way if he wasn’t rich come on lets be realistic. Im sorry but that is how I feel. I feel like they all are golddiggers in their own ways and I cannot stand Tamara for passing judgement on something that she is doing herself. I saw the way Tamara looked last season when her rich husband of 13 years Simon joked that he couldn’t get her a gift on her 40th birthday…then he quickly pulled out that $40,000 Rolex just in time lol! And her son Ryan is a sleaze ball! The way he kept trying to hit on Gretchen while she was drunk was disgusting! And Tamara actually approved of his behavior and then wonders why her son Ryan is the way that he is. He’s a rotten nugget the “Tat’ in his mouth is proof enough
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sarahthemom Reply:
January 30th, 2009 at 11:08
why is nobody saying anything about the way Jena’s son act…
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Mary Alice Reply:
February 6th, 2009 at 18:50
I feel so sorry for Gina. Does she not realize that her son Shane is Verbally abusing her and what do you think his future relationships are going to be like. Very Abusive. I cannot believe he gets away with talking to his mother that way. The day Gina and Vickey went to his game and what he had to say to her. I seriously wanted to throw something at the TV. How sad…Gina is always trying to lose weight, but it wil not happen as long as she is depressed. No amount of money is going to take away the verbal abuse she takes from Shane. Someone needs to just deck him….
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Melany Reply:
February 19th, 2009 at 16:28
I think Jeana will be fine now that she got rid of the abusive husband, and Shane is just a younger version of his father. She needs to cut him out of her life, until he gets some type of counseling…..I’m sure he treats his girlfriend the same.
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Pamela Reply:
February 4th, 2009 at 00:05
Tamra’s trying to get Gretchen drunk was a terrible thing. What a horrible woman. Well, most of them are too funny to even believe.
But the most hilarious one was where the went to Del Mar and got hats to wear. Not ONE of them had a clue how to wear a hat and neither did the woman who brought them hats to pick out. By the time they left, they had grabbed their hats so many times they were looking like clown hats.
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I recently watch the episode of Real Housewives of Orange County where Tamra pushed Tequila on Gretchen to produce bad behavior Quote” Were going to get her wasted, naked wasted” all because Tamra is jealous of anyone who pulls attention from her. This time she went way to far and in my opinion so did the show. This episode is so dangerous for Gretchen’s fiancé Jeff who is dealing with Leukemia. I have a thirteen year old son who has been fighting Leukemia since he was eleven years old. The strength from hope and the peace they feel knowing everyone they care about is okay is so important for cancer patients survival. After Jeff learns what happened on this episode will probably kill him since Jeff has already stated he is ready to die. People out there like it or not Gretchen is his happiness and that’s none of our business. Truth is its to late for Jeff to love someone else. Tamra, Ladies, Producers, etc. I hope you can all live with yourselves knowing you were part of Jeff’s death.
Gretchen I understand you, I know the daily fear and stress watching your loved one suffer so much day after day, you outlook on life changes. For me knowing I have done everything for my son care and his happiness like constant hospital trips with long visits, throwing up, and trying to focus on him because this is his time. If I didn’t do this I don’t know how I would live with myself if my son died. You cannot get the time back so keep any regrets you might have to a minimum and remember your life is not ending your fiancé s life is. Nothing could be more scary. So please for both of your sakes think of what is important for the both of you. The show will move on and you will be left to your own memories. Best wishes to you all but mainly to your fiancé Jeff. Gretchen your right the women are not looking out for you or Jeff’s best interest.
Best wishes to you all, but mainly to Jeff my heart goes out to you.
Sincerely Stacy 1-14-2009
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Bob Reply:
January 14th, 2009 at 06:31
Stacy,
You might want to go back up and read the entire page, specifically the second paragraph…
“The storyline surrounding Gretchen has her dealing with her boyfriend Jeff’s bout with leukemia. Jeff Beitzel, who was fifty-four, passed away in September.”
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Stacy Reply:
January 14th, 2009 at 19:36
Thank ypu for the message.I only noticed that he passed away until after I posted the previous Blog. I was so outraged by the showing of that episode that I emotionally wrote the Blog before reading anything else. My heart goes out to Jeff’s children, unfortunatly they will be effected the hardest. I am deeply sorry for anyone that has lost la loved one to Cancer, I just can’t go to those thoughts in my sons case, it will destroy me if I lose him.
Life is so unpredictable and for the ladies on that show, except Jeanna and Laurie and looks like maybe Lynn get that in my opinion, but not the rest I just feel sorry for them.
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Maru Reply:
January 14th, 2009 at 12:48
That last episode where Tamra is hell bent on getting Gretchen drunk was seriously the most pathetic and saddest display of behavior I’ve seen among women. And when she explains how she judges people based on their actions yet never being mindful of her actions. And putting her son in the role of predator, just waiting for the fallen sheep to prey on. The entire scenario seriously turned my stomach. I have to say watching the dinner play out really taught me a great deal about how insecure women will stop at nothing to make themselves feel better. It was sad and extremely scary.
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I think the writer of this article hit the nail on the head over and over. Gretchen is so hard not to like, and Tamara is so incredibly intimidated by her good looks and real personality. It is so pathetic that this girls still behave the way they do.
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I really would like to see Vicki and Tamra off the show.
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Beverly Reply:
January 20th, 2009 at 22:48
Last weeks episode made me sick. This sic the head woman Tamra actually took ediquite clasess and treated Gretchen like crap. Tamra is jealous of Gretchen in a viscious sick way. Tamra from hell obviously planned this out with her son Ryan. Why else would Ryan be the bartender? was in on it from the start . It as we know at least I hope and pray that way. was udderly sick instead of Tamra’s Biger boob job and botox treatments should spend Simon’s money on a shrink instead and Bravo should kick her ass of the show for that spectical that Tamra, Ryan and Vicki pulled was not funny no etticute another jerk sickening way but to.purposely got her wasted and when she told Vicki what the plan was and who she was going to do was going to get poor Gretchen naked wasted in her stressed out state of mind. She had no true friends their, if she did they would have put an end to the crap that went on. I think that Tamra,ryan , Vicki and Simon should be charged by the police. as far as I see this was crime. If Ryan touched Gretchen after she was intentionally intoxicated. By Tamra, Ryan the predator and Simon andnVicki knew about it but could care less. I do want these four people off of this reality show. They have no moral values just hurt who you can hurt. Tamra, Gretchen is gorgious naturaually not by hair dye, fake boobs nor Botox Injections. Vicki looks like a blow fish from all the botox injections she gets I belive there is a face lift in there also.
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Does anyone know if they were ever married?
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i think vicky &tamara are so jeal. of gretchan i wish tamara husband would just sweep gretchan away .and please tamara son he is so not cute go find jo go leave gretchan alone. she could have any one of ya’ll men.lookout tamara gretchan will always be the hottest wife
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Gretchen and Jeff were never married, although they’d planned to when he recovered (which we all now, he sadly did not). Tamra is a complete idiot. I’m sure she was the average girl in highschool who was always jealous of the pretty, popular girls and could never understand why all the guys didn’t like her. So she bought herself some plastic looks, when she really should have invested in behaviour modification.
She’s complete trailer trash (as is Vicki). I find it ironic that she often tells her son he needs to get his life together, when all she did was hook a rich moron with no personality to elevate her social status. The reason she was probably so upset with her parent’s divorce is because she knows that Simon will eventually do the same thing to her and leave her sorry soon-to-be sagging ass.
And Nancy Aucoin – you’re totally right….her son is fug, and is clearly a poser just like Momma.
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Shame on Tamra for PIMPING her son onto Gretchen during the dinner party!!She totally took advantage of gretchens state. She set her up. Shame on Simon too.Pushing tequila down a stressed womans throat is no way to sell your tequila on national television. I couldnt understand why Jeana or Lynne didnt pull her out of the room and try to straighten her up. Reality TV is getting out of hand.
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Akeyshia Fields Reply:
January 21st, 2009 at 11:13
ARE YOU SERIOUS!! The espoide where Tamara gets Gretchen “naked wasted” at her so-called classy 8 course dinner party was so freakin disgusting I almost cried for Gretchen. And Beverly’s post was so dead on…I thought she(Tamara)came up with the scheme during the dinner but Beverly pointed out that Tamara’s pathetic predator lazy nugget son Ryan was indeed the bartender who is apparently going to “bartending school”…yea im sure mommas very proud. Anyways it was sick it just shows what kind of world we are living in. Gretchen had no true friends their including Lynne and Jeana. I saw that Jeana was tring to sneak the drinks away but leave it to Tamaras son to provide more. But that still was not enough and Lynne jus sat there saying “dont do it”. What the hell is that going to do??? I would have physically…if I where Gretchen’s real friend….removed her from that situation and drove her home or let her spend the night at my place…not with Tamara someone that hates her. And I am always one to read in between the lines. Tamaras fake, her husbands fake, her sons fake, her breast are fake, and life’s even faker. Its kinda sad really. That is why during the dinner party when Lynne and her husband mentioned that they’ve been married for 18years that Tamara’s husband Simon “joked’ that they were faking it.
She even said it herself that the key to her pathetic marriage was sex. I think that Gretchen is a good girl but needs to pratice on keeping her friemenies REAL close. Considering the way Tamara was treating her prior to the dinner party I would have never put myself in that position of not being fully aware of my actions and what is going on around me. I bet Tamara feels like crap now that Jeff is gone…or maybe she doesn’t. I just hope that Gretchen is well. I hope she uses her degree and never put a man over her career because at the end of the day you want to be able to provide and care for yourself.
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bett Reply:
February 18th, 2009 at 15:07
The “classy” dinner party episode is indeed shameful. What adult woman does that to another adult woman? Women should support and help one another. At a stressful time in her life, Gretchen is making friends with these awful, awful women? Thank goodness Gretchen didn’t do things she’d be ashamed of after sobering up. Well, she did do stupid things while drunk, like even letting that weasely son of Tamra’s put his hands on her, but she can get past that. Tamra was beyond mean spirited — she was evil. Gretchen had a sick sweetheart at home, a man who needed emotional and spiritual support — which he finds with Gretchen (none of us should question that since we’re not men facing the final curtain).
But Tamra’s scheming could have been tragic. If Gretchen had gotten so very drunk as to have actually given in to that awful boy’s passes, she would have been heartsick. It would have made a dying man heartsick as well. And did Tamra’s evil brain ever conceive of how awful that would have been to the state of mind of a man so riddled with cancer?
It’s time for the women to rethink some things — if they’re putting their lives on tv — they need to step up to the plate, not be worried about causing problems while the camera is rolling — Jeana was removing drinks from in front of Gretchen and Lynne was offering to give Gretchen a ride home. GROW A BACKBONE ladies! Jeana should have demanded that Tamra’s son back off and stop pouring alcohol down Gretchen’s throat. Lynne should have said, hell no, my new friend is not staying under the same roof as the person who schemed against her. Gretchen is not blameless — she should never have assumed she could relax and let down her guard with this group of backstabbers. I want to see a BACKBONE from Jeana!
I want to see these women who have been forced into being friends for the sake of the show, start perhaps acting like friends — that means looking out for each other — not being nasty behind each other’s backs (I know, that makes great TV, but just the drama of life could be far more interesting than the manufactured cat scratching)– and finally the question is — dont these women ever watch their show — okay, I know it’s edited together and aired months later, but they come back the next season and nothing’s changed? How do they feel about the way they talk about each other during the interviews?
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Tamara rot in hell with your discusting crazy friend Vicki. Shame on you Bitch.
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I absolutely love Gretchen I think she is so pretty and has a great personality. Sadly Tamara is extremely jealous of Gretchen, and she shows it. Every comment out of her shameless mouth makes me sick, and I can’t believe Gretchen puts up with it. Jeana is amazing and I love her! She is a good mom but really needs to drop Matt!! Motivating herself will only boost her confidence and get her back on the right track. Vicki is an workaholic, but I find alot of myself to be like her. I love watching her children stare at her in amazement/shock. She is always on the go, and there is never an end to her fun filled life. Unlike Tamara she can use her attitude and turn heads, but not make people want to slap her. The whole “8 course dinner,” made me sick I wanted to cry for Gretchen!!
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I too have watched the show from the beginning. I have always thought of Tamra as a fellow trailer park Hoe. About Tamra, She talks of her humble beginnings; all the while she is calling Gretchen a gold-digger. I don’t think Gretchen is copying Tamra. I just think that they share the same taste in things. Tamra’s etiquette party, TOTAL JOKE!!! Did anyone think for a second that Tamra was exercising proper etiquette? I think if she hadn’t got with Simon she would be living three doors down from me here at the trailer park. (I am trailer trash and I can spot my kind.) Very Very two-faced and she didn’t even have the couth to tell her son (pervert boy) to keep his hands off of Gretchen. She should have taken him aside and said “NO! She is engaged and drunk and you are not going to take advantage of her,” I can tell that Gretchen loves Jeff and always will. Jeff’s kids praised her, and kids know people!”
Vicki should have stepped up at the party and told Tamra that she didn’t want any part of her plan. I have never liked Vicki but that made me think even less of her. (I still think she was hit in the head with that ball on purpose from a disgruntled fan) Jeana is another one who thinks she is the SH&@. She used to be a playboy pinup. USED TO BE! I am not saying anything about her looks, she is gorgeous and too hard on herself, but loose the Bitch attitude. If she could get off her soapbox she could be a favorite. I would love to see her and Vicki go head to head. (Casting my vote for Jeana) One minute she sticks up for Gretchen, taking her drinks away, then the next tells her to ask Jeff about money matters. (YUCK). I LOVE LYNNE!!! She is much more grounded than the others. I love that she said lets not talk about the kids. “I say it all the time.” I am a firm believer in ‘Girl time’. It is that time when you leave the kids and hubby to whatever they have planned and go UNWIND (Away from the kids.) I also Love that she offered Gretchen a ride home and told her daughter to call anytime she drinks and wants to go anywhere. I told my kids that too. She called Gretchen to check on her after the party too. She obviously cares about people. Laurie was and still is my favorite. Lynne is my second and Gretchen is my third.
Regardless of how they truly are off screen. I can say that no matter what you can still see the true self. I know Tamra is a two-faced troublemaker, Vicki is a Basket Case, Jeana is for some odd reason an ‘I am better than everyone’ meets ‘I hate myself when I am at home by myself’ (weird), Gretchen is a life of the party. (Just do yourself a favor and tone it down a tiny bit and hang in there. You have a beautiful heart), and Lynne is a down to earth take life as it comes and have some faith and Morals kinda gal. (I love the cuffs) Some say she did the show to promote her jewelry. I am thinking probably not, but if the opportunity is there I say “GO FOR IT!”.
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There is not one decent person on this show who has any bit of true class or morals. Jeana seems to be the most normal out of all of them but she lets her sons treat her like SHIT (when her & Viki went to his baseball game) and she is obviously depressed and as a result overweight. Vicki is a controlling bitch. Her marriage is terrible and hanging on by a thread. She HATES to travel with her husband and is continually calling him out on TV… that is not healthy. I hope they get a divorce ASAP. Tamara, although pretty, is completely fake head to toe with a constant orange tan, un naturally pulled tight face, a BAD dye job and fake boobs. She is cruel and is jealous of anyone who may be prettier then her (such as Gretchen!) The dinner party episode was a total joke. They are adults; seriously, its pathetic to watch her whisper to Vicki about getting another adult “naked wasted” and encourage her to take shot after shot of tequla and then NOT SAY ANYTHING when her 21 year old scumbag son tries to hook up with her. It’s sad that these women are in their 30s and 40s yet act like petty highschoolers at what is supposed to be a “classy” dinner party. I like Lynn okay except for the fact that she wont tell her age (c’mon, thats taking it too far!) and the fact in the most recent episode she lets her 18 year old daugher and friends (who btw is not in college and is NOT trying to find a job… can you say lazy and spoiled!?!) drink martinis with the adults!!! Why would you be okay with your underage daughter drinking on National TV?! That’s beyond me. Whatever you do behind closed doors is fine, but don’t make it public. She obviously has no control over her children. Gretchen is probably my favorite. She is young and naturally pretty and seems to really care for Jeff, although I am not denying the fact she wouldnt have looked twice at him if he wasnt loaded. She is always so happy and down to earth. However, if you want to publically show your life on a widely watched TV show, you are kinda screwed up in the head if you ask me. All these ladies should spend more time on their famalies and relationships and working out any issues with themselves and less time trying to “look young” and drinking.
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jjhill Reply:
February 4th, 2009 at 20:56
Something is not right about Lynne’s just turned 18 year-old daughter’s story. I have searched for the school that Raquel told Jeana she graduated from….Access at Horizons. There is nothing listed under any of those names in Orange County. Jeana said it was a school for children with discipline problems. Raquel stated that she graduated in 2007, making her only 16. How does one graduate at 16 when they only attended 9th and 10th grade? Fill me in…..
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Heidi Reply:
February 16th, 2009 at 16:29
Maybe Rachael took her GED at 16 and graduated that way. Many kids that can’t stay in school go that route. Access to Horizons could be an internet school where you go to a “classroom” and work on-line and have people around to help with the technical stuff. From what I understand you can do a weeks worth of class assignemtns in just a couple hours.
I like Lynn, but its really sad the way she raised Rachael amd allowed her to be so self-centered, rude and insecure. It’s going to be a long hard life for her daughter.
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Johnny Romano Reply:
March 4th, 2009 at 18:15
I dont care much about any of the characters on the show bcuz I find them to be spoiled, insecure, jealous, materialistic, and supershallow.
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Heather Reply:
February 16th, 2009 at 13:15
Jeanna’s daughter is the most normal and intelligent one on the show. The others lack class. Vickie’s kids seem pretty normal. Her daughter does not act spoiled. Simon is too good for Tamra. I don’t get the Lynn’s kid thing either. She just turned 18 and has been out of school for 2 years???
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Did they every really show what happened with Gretchen and Ryan? At the end of the episode, it said “to be continued” but I missed the next episode. Bravo doesn’t have the episode on their site. Did something really happen between the two of them or did they just make it seem like something did?
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LBG1 Reply:
February 15th, 2009 at 14:17
Hi Sophie,
In the next episode they filmed Gretchen and Ryan in the bathroom where a soused Gretchen told Ryan she wasn’t going to canoodle with him, but that she was “attracted to him”.
Of course, by then, Gretchen was three sheets to the wind so perhaps Ryan seemed more attractive than his usual weasel self.
There’s something wrong with that boy.
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why is nobody talking about the way Jena’s son’s were acting!!!!!!!!!!
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Pamela Reply:
February 4th, 2009 at 01:17
The way she lets her boys act is beyond me. I can’t believe any mother would put up with either one of them. They are rude, disrespectful and crude. Forgot SPOILED. Her excuses why they treat her like they do is no good. She needs to kick them out and cut them off until they act like men instead of spoiled babies.
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LBG1 Reply:
February 15th, 2009 at 14:21
I suppose I should write more about Jeanna’s son Shane’s behavior towards his mother. There certainly seems to be quite a bit of hostility and anger from Shane. The show never went into Matt’s long term drinking problem, and only seemed to touch around the edges of the relationship between Matt and Jeanna.
During the show, Matt spend some time in jail for a previous DUI and accident and for breaking the rules of his probation–he was caught roaring drunk at a local hotel. This was the “reality” of the Jeanna’s home life, a life the public wasn’t allowed to be privy to.
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Heather Reply:
February 16th, 2009 at 21:30
Did Jeanna support her husband?
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vickey. u really look and sound like an old hag. do somthing about your skin
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cPamela Reply:
February 4th, 2009 at 01:20
I can’t stand Vickie but I do feel for her about her face. She is doing something. Taking a drug I can’t remember the name. But that’s why she couldn’t give blood once. Oh, I remember, Acutane.
She isn’t a very nice person though. And the way she treats her husband is awful. Poor thing is pretty homely.
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The way Jenna’s son treated her and the things he said to her, he should be thrown in the deep sea for the sharks. How dare any child talk or speak to their mother that way. He is worthless as a son!! He will never succeed in life until he goes and ask for forgiveness and repent!
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Toni Reply:
February 4th, 2009 at 17:35
Gina Gina Gina!
The apples don’t fall very far from the tree. Your husband is a jerk. He treated you so bad. Today’s standers call that spousal abuse. In turn your son’s are following in their fathers footsteps. Try to get them help, so that they too won’t fall into that life style. Keep your chin up. Your self esteem is the most important things to make you a better person then you already are. I think you are the hottest housewife in OC.
Dump the other fake bitches, bring back Lori, and maybe Lynn and start the show over.
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What a worthless son you got Jenna. You as a mother need to slap him across the face for the way to speaks to you, and stop defending him and pretrending like everythings AOK!! What a waste of a son. He is shameless.
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Jenna, please, please stop pretending like your worthless son is a good son. I can’t believe you sat there smiling when he is insult you after insults. If i was there, i would’ve put the bat in his mouth. He’s lucky you’re his mother and not me. LOL..stupid bratt!!
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jjhill Reply:
February 4th, 2009 at 20:59
so true – they are mimicking the behavior of their father….and Shana needs to dump Shane because he will treat her exactly the same way. How embarrasing for Jeana she is my favorite housewife, but I pity her relationships with both of her mean sons.
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Heidi Reply:
February 16th, 2009 at 16:38
I was amazed at how rude Jenna tw older sons were to her and how she simply ignored this behavior. I know these boys are young men now and should know better, but there is something much deeper here. When little children act up like this, its a cry for attention. Maybe she hwas so focused on dealing with her alcoholic abusive husband that she never dealt with her son’s emotional issues. Maybe they were abused too. And left without an adult to make them feel safe and loved. Tha would make them angry and resentful. Something is terribly wrong with her interaction with these sons and she should really try to communicate with them off-camera to work it out. Otherwise she has lost them forever.
If I had a rough childhood, with arguing drunk parents, the LAST thing I woukld want is for my mother to go on a reality show and make everything public to the world.
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bett Reply:
February 18th, 2009 at 14:44
I too was appalled at Shane’s behavior when Jeana and Vicki were there to visit. I know Jeana was trying to make nice because the cameras were rolling — but I’m sorry — it would have been far better if she’d thrown down her napkin and dragged her grown son out by his ear and talked to him off camera. He may have been ugly about it — no doubt he would — but far better to call him on it and make it clear that his rude, disrespectful behavior would not be tolerated for another second. He may think he’s a hunk, some gift from God, but he’s not. I would think that girlfriend of his who was in that episode would turn tail and run with a glimpse of how he treats his mother. He told his mother she was lucky he didn’t hit her with a bat, for God’s sake! What a petulant, immature child. Proves he’s nowhere near being a man. A man would recognize the difficulties of his parents’ marriage and would offer comfort and support, not threats of physical harm. Again, that girlfriend of his better watch it, she’ll be making friends with people in the local emergency room and will be telling people she “fell down the stairs” when Shane takes a bat to her.
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I agree with most all comments here, about what was done to Gretchen at Tamara’ s dinner party. That was uncouth. Tamara is so jealous of Gretchen that she can’t even think straight. If you go back and watch the episodes from the year that Tamara first appeared on the OC Housewives, Tamara was on the dance floor acting like a slut, at one of the outings they had. Now she turns around and talks about Lynn and Gretchen acting vulgar in Vegas, on the dance floor. My that is the pot calling the kettle black. Then you have the scene where they are on the boat and Tamara is getting nasty with her husband in front of the camera not to mention all the other people on the boat as well as her young kids. The episode where they were at the race tracks and Tamara made the comment about the people on the other side of them along with Gretchen, having no class, as far as I am concerned this woman has no class to even mention of. For Tamara to constantly judge Gretchen, she is just way off of key. Vicki, at the very beginning of OC/H several years back, I kinda liked her, but as the years have gone by her true colors have begun to show them selves. Jenna just needs help, I think that she still has a chance to pull herself together, but as long as she lets her hateful children and that messed up ex of hers keep bringing her down, that is where she will stay. I truly miss Lauri, Kimberly and Joe. I wish nothing but the best for Jeff’s children and Gretchen as well. Regardless if people call Gretchen a gold digger or not, she seems very real. I am a woman who is by no means ugly and could have had a large choose in men, I chose one that was 20 years my senior, and he is far from being rich. It was his spirit that drew me to him. Gretchen even mentioned that when she first met Jeff he wasn’t exactly her type, but after getting to know him she couldn’t help but love him. From what I understand Jeff’s kids admired her and sang her praise time and time again for what she did for their father. We don’t get to choose whom we fall in love with. At the end of this I only hope that Tamara and Vicki get what is coming to them. Prayers and best wishes go out to all who loved Jeff.
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Cindy Reply:
April 30th, 2009 at 01:14
Simon & Tamra remind me of Paul & Karla Holmolka the Couple from Ontario, Canada…They’re A Creepy Couple….She said that they wanted to get Gretchen Naked Drunk…..Little Strange…
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Seriously, there is nothing to like about Gretchen. To see her jetting off to Bass Lake or Texas for fun or the ‘music’ video, while her supposed fiance is in INTENSIVE CARE just speaks of uncaring, selfish person. There is no love there and there never was. Don’t ever want to see her on any show. 15 minutes are UP!
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LBG1 Reply:
February 15th, 2009 at 14:14
I don’t know, it seems that spending 8 months with Jeff at the hospital should count for something, eventually even a “saint” needs “time off”. Jeff’s kids came and helped which, to me, showed someone raised them right.
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Asil Reply:
February 18th, 2009 at 15:54
Rayer, are you really Tamara disguising yourself?
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Call me cold-hearted, but I agreed with Vicki and Jeanna’s advice to Gretchen in making sure that she is taken care of in Jeff’s will. She is not working and taking of him. That Lynn is so clueless!! She is very annoying. Her daughter Raquel is a lost cause!
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Hello everyone, I began watching the show because I was an OC housewife until 1990 when I moved to Miami FL. But I must tell you, I hope there is a lot of editing because my friends never acted like this. I was the youngest of our group, like Gretchen and I was single. There were times that the other girls became concerned about me because their husbands paid a compliment. But that was easy to resolve…I told them, “If your husband ever shows up at my door, I will send him promptly away!” We did not do that kind of thing. And when someone joined our group that was “slutty” for instance, most of us would decline the invitation to attend as we were not going to tolerate that kind of behavior. We helped each other if someone “happened” to drink too much. We spent the night with each other if one’s husband was away and they were uncomfortable being alone. Usually that was me as I had no husband and would take my kids over there and we would have a “sleep over.” We comforted each other if one’s husband cheated (which only happened once) and we supported each other during any crisis. One housewife had cancer and went everyday with a scarf on to be with her daughter in 5th grade, who still sucked her thumb. When our friend did pass away, her daughter stopped sucking her thumb. No one gossiped about her daughter being too old for that. We knew she was comforting herself and we applauded our friend for spending as much time with her children as possible.
I want people to know that there are so many more OC housewives who have integrity, compassion and valid priorities. These women just make good (questionable) TV.
Bless Jeff as I did not know he had passed away. Bless him, but he chose to be with Gretchen and that made his last days happy. Gretchen, I applaude your commitment, your strength and your fortitude. There is nothing harder to do than the day to day care of a dying loved one.
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Beachblonnd Reply:
February 16th, 2009 at 18:53
That’s Beach blonnd. I didn’t want anyone to think we can’t spell either. (laughing)
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Hope to hear from you.
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CiCi Reply:
February 21st, 2009 at 21:12
I grew up in OC. There were rules of etiquette that was followed but not talked about. If you smoked, you were not invited to parties. Yes this was early 80’s. I never smoked and was always invited. My friend asked why she wasn’t & I asked and it was because she smoked. She quit!
Tamra, Vicki and possibly even Jeanna might also be ostracized. There are so many beautiful women in CA who also have long blond hair, blue eyes, tan, killer figures, fit with large perky breasts (like me although mine are natural) if your behavior is appalling you were no longer invited to any functions. Vicki bringing her lap top, getting drunk and being socially inept would never be invited to any functions either. And women claimed their power so Jeanna would be difficult for most of us to tolerate watching her submit and making excuses for the behavior of her grown children toward her.
There was a “sisterhood”. We supported each other, protected each other. But if you were “ugly” inside you were out! If you couldn’t carry on a political debate without getting angry, you were out. If you didn’t agree with environmentalism, you were out. We worked hard on staying fit, teaching our children ethics and manners, giving our children every advantage to succeed in school. Most of us worked, even if part-time.
We attended the Boat Parade in Newport which is a parade of yachts that go through the channels looking at the Christmas decorations of the beautiful and expensive decorations that were so clever and spectacular. We partied at Bass Lake, “the River”, Lake Havasu, Big Bear, Lake Tahoe, Reno, Vegas, the desert, Coronado Hotel or go to Aspen or Vale to ski. If someone did over do it, we took care of them and never let them drive or let anyone take advantage of them.
They must have looked extensively for these women for the sake of trashy TV.
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Like others have said here, Tamra has shown herself to have no class. She’s the first one to talk behind the other housewives backs and they tell them what others have said all while acting innocent.
It was obvious that both she and Vicki were so jealous of Gretchen taking away their spotlight.
Gretchen was the only natural beauty that I saw this season not just for her looks. She seem to really care about others and no one can deny that she loved Jeff.
I wish her all the best.
Vicki and Tamra need to take a long look in the mirror, if they can stand looking at themselves long enough, and realize they need to grow up.
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OMG I love these ladies, yes most of them are shelfish and greedy but my personal fav is Gretchen, I cried when i heard Jeff died! Ohhh soo sad!
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Tamra is jealous of gretchen…….simon will end of falling in love with gretchen or maybe that why tamra wanted gretchen 2 get drunk bc she have this sick lesbian crush and was hoping 4 a threesome………tamra is an undercover hater and vicki is a jealous girl also lynn is so sweet and jeana loves 2 make mean comment on the sneak but her children treats her like crap I wish the best for gretchen she is so full of life and has a good heart
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I read all your comments and I could not have said it better. I am so glad that my opinions on Vickie and Tamra are in line
with all your comments. They are cruel, classless and need a good dose of of reality. They are so fake not only in their looks but inside as well. How does one live with a plastic heart?
Gretchen is very sweet and natural. She is young and that just kills those two who act like they are so above everyone else and seem to forget those days in the trailor park growing up. You can take the person away from the trailor park but you will never take away the attitude that comes from living a life of jealousy. When will they learn that you can not make your light
brighter by burning someone else’s out.
Don needs to find a women who will cherish him and not try to extinguish his manhood piece by piece. Why he puts up with her is beyond me. It sure isn’t because of her looks or her personality. Tamra’s husband just wants a show piece but
unfortunately he thinks by getting her ettiquette lessons that will make her more acceptible. You will need more than that my friend. She needs a heart transplant just like the other writer said.
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Tamra is so jealous of Gretchen! She disses her and takes a hit at her during every show- even the shows that Gretchen is not in. Gretchen is sttention hungry, but Tamra just looks pathetic.
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tamara makes me want to puke. she is so evil and thinks she is god great gift. shame on her for how she treats gretchen. you got to think these shows dont show you what all gretchen is doing. she probably did spend alot of time at the hospital. she made him feel good and nothing else matters. tamara is gross inside and out!
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They probably did not show all of the time Gretchen spent at the hospital, that woud not make for very good tv. Tamara has obviously never had someone she loved dying in a hospital, we all deal with the stress in different ways and I am sure the scenes we saw with Gretchen she was blowing off some major steam from all of the stress she was under. Tamara should be ashamed of herself. It is obviously jealously about how beautiful and YOUNG Gretchen is.
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Do Tamra and Vicike not watch the show after it is recorded? I would think if they did that they would see themselves as cruel and not very empathic towards anyone who is dealing with a horrible situation. All Vickie and Tamra see are dollar
signs flashing in their eyes. I do not know if I would put myself out there for all to see if I acted like they did. It is a horrible
representation of women and women who are suppose to be friends. Is that what having money does to you, then I would rather be poor and have integrity and compassion towards my fellow man.
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CiCi…boy I am sure glad that all the women from the OC are not like this group. I could not imagine a place that had only this type of women to associate themselves with. I have nothing against the “beautiful people” in the world but beauty does come from within first and foremost. It just seems that no matter what someone has in life they are still envious of others.
Why is that? If you have money, you want more, if you have good looks that God gave you you want to improve on them.
But if someone else comes along that has more than you do instead of looking and being grateful for what you have you have to be mean and rude towards the person who seems to have more. I don’t get it. When I say you , I do not mean you.
I am just so amazed that whenever they have these shows it always has the negative side of people who are priviledged.
The housewives of NYC are the same. It just seems that when you are nasty, mean, insensitive to others feelings that that
sells TV so I should not be surprised. Look who got all the attention in the Apprentice. That evil Omarosa. This show is just
like driving by a car wreck. You have to look at it. I get disturbed by it but still have to watch it to see if someone will get called
out on their behaviors but so far not a one has had the guts to tell the ones who are nasty to take a look in the mirror.
I am glad to hear that you are raising your children with values. Some of these kids on the show do not have a clue what it is like to live like most people have to live. If they got a dose of that reality that would realize how good they have it.
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tamara is so jealous of gretchen because gretchen is way hotter and is the new hottest housewife! tamara is making her self look like a jealous old lady
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Vicki your an asshole. get off the show now. nobody even likes you. your a horrible person. and not good for the show.
in other words… i hate you.
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OOOH My , So many of you are so BLINDED by GRETCHEN?? She is such a fake , The REAL TRUTH is out there about Gretchen. This Crapola that Tamra got her naked drunk is BS. Gretchen was not forced to drink—-and Gretchen was flirting with Ryan before she even started drinking. and GRETCHEN has had a boyfriend during the whole filming of this season… WAKE UP PEOPLE….GRETCHEN IS NOT REAL IN ANY WAY. JAY is GRETCHEN’S LOVER. And GRETCHEN IS A LIAR!!!!!
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I think they were so hard on Lynn last night. I hope she comes back next season.
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las vegas housewife: Gretchen may be hiding the real situation but that does not excuse Tamra in the way she treats people. She is vindictive and cruel. If it was not that issue she would be upset or find something else to run her mouth off with. She and Vickie are just snobs, cruel, and put themselves above everyone else. Did you see the faces they were making? What skeletons are in their closet? Gretchen may be fake but at least she acts like a nomal person and shows
kindness towards others. There is no excuse for the way Vickie and Tamra treat people. People who live in glass houses
should not throw stones. Tamra had every intention of doing something to discredit Gretchen at her so called dinner party and instead of making Gretchen look bad she was the one who should hide her head in shame. She used her son and
showed what her true colors really are. When you let jealousy eat you up what you have is someone exactly like Tamra.
She may be pretty outside but the inside is ugly and eventually that will all come to the surface.
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Jeffs children should hire a lawyer and file charges against her for fraud and decieving a dying man named JEFF. Please children don’t let her get away with this. Her and her boyfriend are happily living on your money. sincerly TEResa
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Regardless of Gretchen’s intentions with being with Jeff, doesn’t give the other women a right to judge her. So far, she hasn’t done anything bad or really said anything catty towards the other women. It is so obvious that Tamra is VERY jealous of Gretchen and is using the excuse of not trusting Gretchen. Gretchen is naturally beautiful and she is young. Tamra has to pay thousands to look the way she does and even that’s not enough to compete with Gretchen. Tamra is so vindictive and really wants to go out of her to damage Gretchen’s reputations. It’s so pitiful, anyone with a brain could see how JEALOUS she is!!!!
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Tamra is one jealous bitch, it’s funning how she tries to act like her life is so perfect and she has never made any bad decision. She only acts like that cause dimpled ass face Vicki adds to her hatred. They are so miserable, i bet in real life they have no true friends and i can guarantee that noone will ever trust them bitches!!! They are so two faced. I just wished Gretchen would of just popped the shit out of Tamra but the lady that Gretchen is just let it roll off her shoulders. What gets me is that they are very critical and laugh at at their( Lynee, Gretchen) expense but when anybody does it to them they start getting huffing and puffing. They are stupid dude!! Feel sorry for their children, not Simon but Don yes!!!!
TAMRA and VICKI are fake booby bitches that need neck lifts!!! Pinche putas!!!
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tamra talk to much crap not only of gretchen…. of all the house wife,,,,she just want to be in the spot light all the time,,,,she is so jealous of gretchen,,,,,,,gretchen should just let her have it,,,end of story!
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