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PUMAs: The Democrats the Media Doesn’t Want to Talk About
PUMA Power:
One-Fourth of Democrat Party Used to Being Ignored by Maintream Media
PUMAs are the One Group Who Has Already Gone Head-to-Head Against “The Obama Experience”
* The Mainstream Media Bias
* ACORN Voter Fraud
* The Blog Shutdowns and Intimidation Tactics
* The “Fix is In” Frustration
PUMAs: Been There, Done That
These days, the most energetic investigations, the loudest warnings and the people most experienced with unpleasant Obama campaign tactics come not from the Republican Party, but from a segment of the Democrat Party: the PUMAs.
They represent a significant proportion of the Democratic Party–a portion the Mainstream Media is loathe to acknowledge, let alone report. Some became PUMAs after what they felt was unfair treatment of Hillary Clinton. Some because of the unfair treatment in the media of Sarah Palin. Some because they cannot support a candidate who Joe Biden said “wasn’t ready” just months ago–before Biden became Barack Obama’s running mate.
Party Unity My Ass (PUMA)
PUMA is a movement born shortly after Hillary Clinton conceded the Democrat nomination to Barack Obama. PUMA blogs and websites almost immediately popped up on the Internet.
* P.U.M.A.
* The Real Barack Obama
* Democrats For McCain
* PUMA
* PUMApac
* The Confluence
* PUMA Women
* Hillbuzz
The above are only the tip of the PUMA iceberg.
A sizable portion of Democrats say they will not support Barack Obama.
From Obama Campaign’s National Network Separate from the Democratic Party:
An AP-Yahoo News poll claims that Democrats who backed Hillary Clinton in the primaries are still not warming up to Barack Obama. Fifty-eight percent of Clinton supporters now back Obama.
That was the same percentage who said they backed Obama in a June, when Clinton called it quits and the PUMA (Party Unity My Ass) movement was born.
The poll shows that while Obama has gained ground among Clinton’s supporters — 69 percent view him favorably now, up 9 percentage points from June — this has yet to translate into more of their support.
In part, this is because their positive views of Republican presidential nominee John McCain have also improved during this period. Those supporting McCain have also edged up from 21 percent to 28 percent, with the number of undecided staying constant, the survey showed.
That was last month. Have things changed since then?
Hillary Clinton has been campaigning for Obama–and there are plenty of stories that report that the PUMAs practically don’t exist.
That message seems to be resonating with Clinton’s former supporters. Interviewed at Friday’s event, a dozen of them said they all had swung behind behind Obama.
Margaret Miller, 64, of Oakdale, Pa., proved to be a typical Obama convert.
“I was very skeptical at first. We heard all the rumors saying he was an Arab, but now we know better,” said Miller, who added: “After getting to know Obama a little better and seeing his outlook for America, I decided he’s the one.”
In other words, the post-primary bitterness that spawned the “PUMAs” — the Hillary supporters whose acronym stood for “Party Unity My (lower part of my anatomy)” — virtually has dissolved.
–Clinton stumps across U.S. for Obama in run-up to the election
“Virtually dissolved”. Really?
At last count, there were over 230 PUMA alliance member websites.
Apparently, every PUMA runs a website, judging from the number of them.
The above article does concede that “it’s been hard” for Clinton to support Obama.
Touting Obama is quite a turnaround for Clinton, who derided the Illinois senator as not much more than a speech-maker during their long primary battle. Clinton also famously ran a campaign ad questioning whether Obama was ready to be president.
* RallyacrossPUMA
* PUMArunning
* America for Hillary
* Just Say No Deal
* PUMA Alliance
* Democrats for Principle before Party
Close your curtains, Lock your door’s my fellow PUMA’s. We’re being chased by…by…HOUNDS.
Yup, The same party who Ignored us when we voted for Hillary, and stole delegates from her, and handed the Democratic nomination to NObama (Yup handed…. he didn’t win it) Have sent Dog’s after us PUMA’S.
–To the Anti-PUMA websites: we still say NO DEAL!!!!
This reminder from PUMA08 a few weeks ago:
PUMAs,
If and when you get polled, remember to let the pollster know that not only do you intend to vote, but that you are strongly committed to voting for:
Barack ObamaIt is extremely important we keep on doing this. Let Obama and his surrogates keep on being lulled into a false sense of security at having a lead in the national polls.
–PUMA Pundit, PUMAs don’t forget to say you are voting for Barack Obama if polled…
If the story of the PUMAs in the Mainstream Media is that they are “virtually dissolved”, Steven M. Warshawsky, Signs Pointing To A McCain Victory, takes a different view.
Remember how quickly the MSM jumped off the Hillary Clinton bandwagon and onto Obama’s? Remember how annoyed and angry they became as Hillary refused to concede the nomination? The MSM decided that electing the nation’s first black, socialist, anti-American president was politically and historically more important (and, for them, more exciting) than electing the nation’s first female, socialist, patriotic president. And they are doing everything they can to achieve this goal.
Well, there is another story out there that the MSM refuses to address. A huge story. One that could, and I think will, significantly affect the outcome of this race. I’m referring to the widespread phenomenon of registered Democrats openly supporting John McCain. There are numerous “Democrats for McCain” type organizations. There are numerous websites and blogs written by Democrats touting McCain’s candidacy. There are pro-McCain grassroots efforts being led by Democrats. And we all know friends or relatives who are Democrats, who voted for John Kerry in 2004, and who are no fans of President Bush – but who are going to vote for John McCain this year.
Yet, surprise surprise, the mainstream media is not talking about these voters, not talking about the real rift that is occurring within the ranks of the Democratic Party. Needless to say, if a similar rift were occurring in the Republican Party, it would be treated as the major story that it is. (Indeed, as such stories about the political fault lines in the Republican Party have been treated in the recent past.)
Others haven’t quite pronounced the PUMAs dissolved, as well.
“…the PUMAs…oppose Barack Obama because they believe, in their hearts, that Barack Obama has amply demostrated, by his tactics and philosophy, that he is simply WRONG FOR AMERICA.”
–Ragnar Danneskjold, A Question to the P.U.M.A.s: Barack Obama? Hillary Clinton? WTF???
The PUMAs run a campaign separate and apart from the Republican one. Many produce their own anti-Obama videos and publish lots of information the MSM ignores.
PUMA sites run stories of voter intimidation that don’t seem to make their way through the MSM “McCain-Palin: Hate and Racism” meme.
Twenty-five residents of a Gainesville neighborhood woke up this morning to discover their homes had been spray-painted with an obscene comment about the 2008 presidential race. Several businesses were hit as well.
“This is clear voter intimidation,” Corey A. Stewart, At-Large Chairman of the Prince William Board of County Supervisors, said. “The residents targeted by these hoodlums all had McCain for President yard signs in their front yards.”
“Having your home defaced with obscenity because of political beliefs is a hate crime” Stewart said, “This is terrorizing the community.”
–Obama followers vandalize homes in Gainesville
The PUMAs have seen it all before during the primaries: the media bias, intimidation and other unpleasantness.
What voter fraud you might ask? Some of the mainstream media still hasn’t asked, or asked enough questions. Some have only just started to ask.
A reader asks …
are you sure you want to do this Barry?
If you do, it could turn up some interesting answers. Like PUMA and Clinton Democrats have been saying all along, it is systematic fraud.
–Of course the voter intimidation and caucus voter fraud relates to the ACORN voter fraud
The PUMAs are also used to every report of unpleasantness being ignored–or worse, whitewashed–by Big Media in the ceaseless MSM drone for Obama.
Democrats vote early in higher numbers than Republicans in almost every state. And that’s not including the big persuasive push by Obama. Logic dictates with all the attention Obama’s put on early voting, that Democrats should be clobbering Republicans right now…if they vote early in higher numbers to begin with, and then Obama’s made a big push for early voting on top of that.
That’s not happening.
Republicans have a slight lead in early voting right now.
Where is all the enthusiasm for Obama the media keeps braying about?
And remember: not all of those Democrats are voting Obama. We know 30 Democrats right here in Chicago who voted early — and voted Republican for the first time in our lives. We bet there’s a higher percentage of Democrats voting Republican in Colorado this year than any year in the past.
–Bad news for Obama in Colorado early voting
For their trouble, some have gotten trouble–from Obama supporters. DBKP knows how this feels.
* Blog Shutdowns: Spam Attack from IPs Assigned to barackobama.com
* Google, Blogger, Obama: Obamanation Shut Down My Blog!
The members of the Party Unity My Ass movement are used to the media misinformation: they remember the press calling–no, begging–for Clinton to drop out of the primary race after a string of early Obama wins. They also remember the MSM predictions of Obama victories in states where Clinton went on to crush the eventual nominee in the primaries.
That’s one reason most of the PUMA sites visited for this article are not only skeptical of the MSM polls and reporting, they’re convinced the MSM is not telling the truth once again.
Regardless of what the Mainstream press writes these days about them disappearing, the PUMAs have long memories of intimidation, dirty tricks and MSM “reporting”. They have lived through one contest where it all occurred.
They’re working hard to prevent it from happening twice in the same year.
by Mondo Frazier
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* Democrats For McCain
* hillbuzz
* redhotandbluepolitics
* denitza-nyc
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I wish we could poll this but there is no way to do so.
30yr DEM voting McCain/Palin ‘08
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Thank you for writing this. People in the media tend to think we are a minority, disgruntled Hillary supporters with big mouths. Come election day the exit polls will reveal our strength. I can hardly wait to hear Chris Matthews to say that his leg is trembling after hearing our collective ROAR.
NObama!
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My wife and me are North Carolina Pumas We voted for McCain I am a lifetime Democrat I just could not vote for the thug Obama I am leaving the party
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PUMA’s have helped balance my faith in american electorate which has under cosiderable barrage of late. Move-on, the Lawyers’ Guild who defended the the blind cleric&smuggled msg.s for him, Code Pink, Fight the smears, Progressives for Obama whose founding and leadership is made up SDS/Weathermen and Soros’ Open Society whose intent seems nefarious at best. This should come as no surprise as these Org’s were finaced and created in many cases by the CPUSA. We were warned well in advance…..
http://valsword.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!5AE7137D0CFE6F89!155.
Much hinges on this election, and we have reached an “event horizon” that might very well decide the fate of the nation.
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For an articles on the P.U.M.A. Factor and how the McCain campaign has figured out how to measure it, see http://www.marstonchronicles.info/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=91&Itemid=2.
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I ” HEART” PUMA’S!!
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Oh yeah – all 12 of us PUMAs have completely gone underground. LOL
Please add my name to the list of PUMAs that are uncovering the REAL BARACK OBAMA! That $832,000 Obama contribution to ACORN came from the research done by MsPlacedDemocrat – a proud PUMA.
I was sent 1000’s of pages of research done by numerous PUMAs and NOBAMAs and have completed the first 2 parts of Obama’s American Socialism: Decades In The Making. I would appreciate you allowing my comment be posted with the link to the page that has the first 2 parts. This is information that you will not see in the MSM and is required reading for voters to make an informed decision. Mahalo, Diamond.
http://logisticsmonster.com/radicals/
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Great job! I have a feeling this election is actually a lot closer than the media is telling us. They take pro-McCain comments off their sites and do everything they can to discourage voting by McCain supporters. It’s a real voter suppression effort. The most important thing we can do is stand up and be counted on election day! Thanks for a great shot-in-the-arm. Your rock, PUMAs!
http://redstatefeminists.org
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I had no use for the mainstream media during the primaries. Am I now suppose to believe them when they issue their polls? I think not. I believe that in reality, things are close (when they should be mega-favorable to the democrats after GWB). That being said, when actual voting happens on November 4th, I see a McCain-Palin victory come November 5th. I urge all voters NOT to listen to the polling and get out there and vote. Don’t stay home because you think the election is over because of the MSM pro-Obama rhetoric. We experienced the harshness of a republican super majority from 2000- 2006. A democratic super majority is the same thing only in the other direction. Obama will not work with the congress and senate when there are contrasting opinions. McCain will. The balance is needed. This former dem will be voting McCain-Palin in ‘08!
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Ah, I get it–so these millions of PUMAS are going to deliver the election to McCain to teach Obama a lesson! Let’s talk again on November 5th.
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So you are trying to say that feminists do NOT control both parties and the media?
You are trying to say that feminists support McCain and, when he loses, you will be victimized again?
You are kidding right? Joe Biden is the biggest feminist of all time.
That is brilliant.
You have a country that smart men won’t live in because all media and all political movement is under complete control of the victim-oriented remnants of feminism…and then the people who have all the power form a “protest group” that is “18 million strong” that feels victimized and unrepresented even still.
Do a Google search for IMBRA and feminism and you will see that ZERO media will discuss a new law that forces men to be background checked just to say hello to women. Check out Online Dating Rights dot com to see that journalists wrote articles but their editors and publishers PREVENTED them from being printed.
No debate allowed.
Neither Bob Barr nor Ron Pau felt comfortable even discussing Internet free speech and anonymity rights in the current anti-male climate.
You have a country where socalled Libertarians talk about individual rights but then say “But women need to be protected from meeting total strangers online”.
Men’s Rights Activists have ZERO ability to get their word out in America today.
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Thank you for publishing this article.
I am a PUMA that will be voting for a Republican for the first time this year.
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California PUMA here. Unlike the management of this board, I am liberal, but am against Obama because of the vindictive, sexist and wholly unnecessary campaign against Hillary and her supporters. A candidate whose tactics create division is not a strong leader. If he lacks the political skills to unite his party, he is not qualified to run the nation.
Confidential to Jack Sanderson: Do we live in the same country? I assure you feminists do NOT run things. They sure as blazes do not run the Democratic Party, for starts.
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PJ,
I doubt that you will return on November 5th. But in case you do, you might be interested to learn just how few PUMA’s were required in just six states to give McCain-Palin the election. See my article at http://www.marstonchronicles.info/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=93&Itemid=117. It is also on real clear politics under reader’s articles receiving more than 10 votes.
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At the Denver convention I piled into a van with eight or ten Pumas with protest signs, and as we traveled to the protest site, I started asking them how they knew each other. They didn’t. We were all from different states and had all come to the same conclusions independently. Then we found the PUMA movement though blogrolls on websites like PumaPAC http://pumapac.org/
There are many, many more voters who don’t know yet they are Pumas.
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This is insane.
Conservative males will NEVER admire Hillary Clinton and her supporters are the polar opposite of us. You folks are trying to hijack the Republican Party because even your fellow Democrats (the males and the younger ones who control the future) don’t like her either. Do you really think Republiicans will ever admire the NOW or consider it a legitimate organization?
I have to admit it is BOLD that you think “No problem, we will just take over the other party and compete until we get our way again”. And you are getting away with it because the media just loves the idea that McCain is so dense that he does not even know what is happening. For the media, it is a win-win situation. Dems if Obama wins and a feminist controlled old codger if McCain wins. McCain is compromised six ways to Sunday regarding sexual antics in his past. So is every male politician. That is how the NOW gets its way.
But male conservatives will not vote or vote for Barr enough that McCain. To paraphrase Palin “There is a special place in Hell for conservative males who do not support other males” The anti-male attitudes of Hillary and the NOW are legion.
To read up on why men cannot vote for or with NOW supporters, try GlennSacks dot com and MensNewsDaily dot com and OnlineDatingRights dot com.
I didn’t care much about politics until my right to even say Hello to women was taken away via the outrageous IMBRA law which defines foreign women to be like children and thus forces all American men to be background checked before being allowed to say hello to them via an online dating site. Call Eduardo Porter of the New York Times and ask him if, after he wrote an anti-IMBRA article, his feminist editors rewrote the article in order to praise the law.
The real reason for IMBRA is that aging and insecure baby boomer women politicians like Maria Cantwell and Hillary simply do not want to tolerate men their age dating women in their twenties. Just like a male dominated Congress passed the Expatriation Act in 1907, taking away the citizenship of American women who married rich European males, a feminist dominated Congress can now pass any law it likes that would prevent American men from even dating overseas (the IMBRA law makes it impossible for women without Internet to sign the requisite documents in order to be allowed to say hello to any specific man.
You might pretend that dating websites are “human traffickers” although such has never happened with American sites and there are already laws to handle that issue.
And then there is your desire to set up sting operations where gorgeous 19 year old police officers entrap older males to agree to go to a hotel room…because you have this outrageous idea, which is not working in Sweden, that customers should be arrested and given criminal records just for wanting to maybe TALK with a prostitute. Believe me, you are NOT going to be allowed to usurp the conservative movement just because some religious people will say that prostitution itself should be illegal.
Spousal Abuse: You would laugh at the statistical facts that women kill their husbands more than visa versa. Although males generally win fist fights with spouses (and a man should never hit a woman no matter what) it is also a fact that women commence with the punches first in most cases.
Just look for instance at the movie “The Holiday”. Like 1000 other movies, it features Cameron Diaz learning that her boyfriend slept with a 24 year old…and so she viciously punches him in the face and he hits the ground.
I wanted to call the police after I saw that scene…but then I realized that we live in a matriarchal society where men who sleep with beautiful younger women DESERVE much worse than a punch in the face by older women.
Then there is the entire Father’s Rights Movement. Hillary people are on the other side there. So you are talking about millions of men who are very aware that McCain is pandering to you and not them. How do you think they will vote?
Well you might get us all to vote with you on McCain because Joe Biden is the king of feminism. He was the one who championed VAWA which conservatives are dismantling (IMBRA is part of VAWA and it will be defeated as well because people have the right to assemble (say hello) even if you want to demean one party as being a “mail order bride” (99% of foreign women do not marry the man who said hello to them once).
Vote for McCain and you might see the Supreme Court completely eliminate the VAWA and its funding entirely even if McCain himself panders to the Hillary crowd. This is because the Constitution never said the federal government should have anything to do with spousal abuse issues and feminist issues are all states rights issues at best.
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Mark my words, when Obama is president, PUMAs will try to control the remaining Republicans by telling them that they must vote with the Democrats on all feminist issues. There won’t be a debate on feminism anymore. There hasn’t been any since 2002 when Karl Rove noticed that a lot of feminists wanted to see dead Muslim male chauvinists and he adopted his paper clip strategy with them.
Rove’s paper clip strategy is based on the idea that people are stupid and geniuses like him can link opposing groups together to vote for one party simply by finding a link point and then keeping the public in the dark as much as possible that opposing groups had just been llnked.
The link point that aligned Marxist fems with the Christian Right was a Vatican faction (gay males) and Sam Brownback.
If Brownback is still seen as a “leader” of the few remaining Rep Senators after the electoral bloodbath on Tuesday, men are screwed.
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Calm down Jack, we don’t care if you date really young foreign women. We simply want to defeat Obama and the corrupt Democratic party.
Chill out.
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Hi Midlife Mama,
It will be great to have opposition Democrats exposing Obama’s corruption while he is in office.
My only beef is when you do that as if you are the Republican Party.
Please keep the distinction separate or you will encounter resistance.
You are for Hillary in 2012 or Palin if she becomes a “Friend of Hillary” and thus subordinates the Republican Party to the Clinton version of the Democratic Party.
Everyone knows that you would vote for Hilary in 2012..so why should you have any influence in the Republican Party now except to be used tactically by guys like Rove who mistakenly think that anti-Hillary conservatives will gladly vote along side you for McCain?
Tons of conservatives are staying home on Tuesday because they are against the Nanny State and McCain, and presumably the PUMAs, are for the Nanny State. Hillary sure is.
A good thing about this PUMA support for McCain is that, when Obama unfortunately clean sweeps on Tuesday, Hillary supporters might have less power with the party they tried to temporarily betray or leverage. Or you will all go join the Obama administration after Obama holds out an olive branch after his win and gives Hillary the Secretary of State position or something else that will alarm all real Republicans.
The Heritage Foundation has openly admitted that they are playing friendly to Hillary supporters now for tactical reasons. When McCain loses, they will rethink their tactics.
It is good that you would support your right to say hello to a suave Italian man online without having to reveal that you were caught skinny dipping when you were in college. But then, you couldn’t really be a Hillary supporter. She is for that kind of “protection”. She is for the Nanny State. She thinks the Italian man has a right to know everything about you before you say hello.
Please don’t try to pretend that the Men’s Rights Movement only effects the 0.4% of Americans who date foreigners and the IMBRA law. If, by the way, this law gets upheld, we all permanently lose our right to communicate with others, including you with fellow PUMAs. All someone has to do is make it politically correct to say that “some PUMAs beat up other PUMAs so they need to be background checked before they can organize”. That moment can come more quickly than you think. The best thing Bush did in office was vetoing a hate speech law that would have made some organizing against Democrats illegal.
Plus, if that kind of law is upheld (and Congress is always trying to regulate new groups of people), American women stand to be told that they are no longer allowed to broadcast their “Personal Contact Information” in public places like a for-profit social interaction site. That is the equivalent of your no longer being allowed to put your cell phone number on your business card or personal website because you “might get stalked”.
Alarmingly, it was a Bush appointee, Thomas Rose, who said of IMBRA “The Supreme Court has never held that there is a fundamental liberty interest in an American communicating with a foreign citizen.” It takes a really parochial type of redneck not to be alarmed at that kind of comment from a Bush appointed fed judge.
It would be really great news to know that PUMAs are not bitter about Bill and Monica and hung up on a hidden agenda of using the courts and Congress to shape dating norms and allying with the religious whackos to ban lapdancing and porn.
But it goes further than that: Feminism is not monolithic. Conservative feminists like (arguably) Christina Hoff Somers and Wendy McElroe at http://www.ifeminists.net are against “Victim Feminism”, They are for “Equity Feminism”.
Naomi Wolff is now becoming a libertarian. She wrote the great book “Fire with Fire” which skewered victim feminists politely.
If some of you PUMAs are OK with the Ifeminists.net crowd…you are very welcome in the Republican Party. If you are actually willing to say “There are factions of feminism that are repugnant”, you get brownie points at least.
But, last time I checked, Hillary Clinton wasn’t known for doing anything but pretend that all feminism was monolithic.
Victim Feminism is also related to “Gender Feminism” and “Victorian Feminism”,
The sacred cow of this faction is the VAWA act or Violence Against Women Act that Joe Biden pushed through (probably because he’s been blackmailed heavily over the years).
The conservatives of the Supreme Court have been slowly taking VAWA apart while Congress keeps trying to make it more and more anti-male. See http://www.mediaradar.org.
But the SC decisions were just about no-brainer issues, where it was basically noted that the Constitution does not allow it to become a federal issue if a woman is raped or stalked. Those are undeniably state issues.
Federal funding for “women’s shelters” is next on the chopping block. Those shelters have been proven to tell women to lie in order to help themselves and the shelters get more funding.
The 9th Circuit Appeals Court astoundingly sided with men recently when it declared that men can be battered and should be given shelter when they can no longer live with a woman who likes to punch and stab. The women’s shelters had united to say that it was impossible for a woman to so abuse a male. I am not making this up. Links available.
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I am a PUMA in Florida and voted for McCain/Palin in early voting! We are more then anyone believes and yes, some don’t even know they are PUMA’s! Go to your local Republican headquarters and ask them about Democrats coming in to volunteer, you might be surprised! Some of us will not reveal ourselves but will vote for John McCain on Nov. 4th! BTW estimates have our numbers around 7 million!
-PUMA’s for Palin (on MySpace.com)
P.S.- Obama has payed trolls who come into these rooms and try to kill any positive news or energy. I think you may have at least one here! Don’t pay any attention to them because they will be gone after Nov. 4th!
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Jack Anderson:
Get this through your thick, paranoid skull: PUMAs are Democrats. We have never claimed to be anything else!!! We are not trying to take over the Republican Party and the only Republican thing PUMAs such as myself plan to do is vote for Mc
Cain/Palin. We feel Sarah Palin is getting the same raw deal from the MSM that HIllary got and if we are to be considered consistent and unbiased, we must speak out again the treatment of Palin; we have and will continue to do so. But, to all Republicans out there: PUMAs ARE DEMOCRATS. Your party is your own, most of us (PUMAs) have no interest in changing your party or joining it,
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Yes, but if real conservatives are disappointed in Palin for doing things like accepting an introduction and endorsement from the LA Chapter of the NOW on October 5th (in Colorado)…then it isn’t because she is a woman that conservatives are abandoning her but because she doesn’t have the common sense to distance herself from the PUMAs.
I begged the McCain campaign to take on Sarah Palin last March when nobody had ever heard of her. I assumed she was a libertarian because she belongs to the LP of Alaska. She had endorsed Ron Paul last year even.
How was I to know that she would start pandering to PUMAs and take on other neoconservative attitudes that libertarian conservatives aren’t wont to do.
I mean, war with Russia possible? The ABCNews interviewer gave her a big pass on that one. She did well on that interview otherwise.
I was on her side but groaned loudly as she behaved like she was being told what to say. I kept thinking “She will at least roast Joe Biden over the goals for his support for feminism”. Of course, she didn’t do that. She could have destroyed Biden if she had gone with that subject. But she did not….probably because she felt PUMAs were more important than the millions of men who can’t stand Biden.
The media has actually protected her. She recently said “When Putin shows his ugly head”, All the major media quoted her as saying “When Putin shows his head”. Not doing so may have caused an international incident with Russia this past month. As it was, her attitude was not lost on the Russian people, who overwhelmingly support Putin and Medvedev.
Nobody I know in the business world wants NATO to expand to Georgia and the Ukraine. Neither Germany nor Italy will allow that to happen anyway….so why did Palin assume that she needed to support a lost cause…to get the redneck vote?
She could have more loudly denounced religion in politics and more loudly announced that she doesn’t believe in creationism. Everyone knows that pandering to the holy rollers is a huge mistake. But she chose to let herself be seen as one of them. That wasn’t the media’s fault. She shot herself in the foot.
The single main reason why I have heard most young people tell me they plan to vote Obama is that they are already sick and tired of the idea that any politician would mix religion with politics or even be openly religious.
How is a Goldwater conservative supposed to argue in favor or mixing religion with politics?
9/-11 and the WOT have had the effect of turning most Americans off to all religious zealots.
Now if Palin had spoken more as a libertarian and the media slammed her, I would agree that she got a raw deal.
But the left wing media (and Murdoch is one of them) would slam anyone with libertarian and conservative ideals.
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Was Republican, then liberal dem, now Puma. I loved the idea of having Hillary
be our president and hope that McCain will use her to the best advantage of our nation.
I was happy to vote for McCain and believe that, in a strange way, Obama IS uniting the
country – against Obama himself.
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Jack,
What ARE you talking about? What universe do you come from?
What do your dating preferences and a “take-over” of the Republican Party have to do with this site and this election? I am at a loss for words, although that doesn’t often happen.
For your edification, PUMAs are united by three goals: (1.) to defeat Obama on November 4th and (2.) to re-claim the Democratic Party for its voters and (3.) to reform the leadership and practices of the DNC.
Although I cannot speak for all PUMAs, I am not or will not ever be a Republican, even though I will vote for them this year. If Obama wins, I will re-register as an Independent. This election fiasco has opened my eyes to the real role that “the party” plays in voter suppression, intimation, and nullification. So, Jack, maybe you can now understand the acronym…Party Unity My Ass.PUMAs are really all about….people….not parties. I think the “parties” can kiss our a**es until they get a brain and a conscience.
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I’m a Republican and I just want to thank all of you who see Obama for what he is. As much as I want our party to win I would have to concede the fact that a loss to Hillary would have been welcomed compared to the alternative. Keep the faith…Hilary will have hers in 4!!!
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I think we could all agree on the following:
1) There needs to be a Constitutional Amendment that, by changing one or two words in the Constitution, will change us to a parliamentary democracy where PUMAs can have 20% of Congress and not worry about being “weak and out of power” because, as long as PUMAs are reasonable, they would be likely to find coalition partners to be able to govern or help govern.
Every country the US liberated adopted the above system rather than the naive American system that was built on the childishly short-sighted idea that the US colonies would always split along REGIONAL differences (Rhode Islanders monolithicly thought differently than South Carolininians 200 years ago) rather than along, for instance, feminist/libertarian/religious freak/neocon faultlines.
That way, Libertarians can have 20% of Congress as well…and we could theoretically end up part of an administration some day. This is unlikely, by the way, because European democracies always end up with feminists and libertarians being the last factions that would ever ally with each other for any reason.
But at least we would all have our say. Right now, PUMAs and Libertarians are SHUT OUT by the dishonest US media.
I think we can get such an amendment passed because it is only in the past 10 years that Americans stopped voting primarily along regional lines.
2) Congress needs to stop licensing TV Frequencies to ABCNBCCBSFOX and let the rest of us share broadcasting over those frequencies. The PUMAs can have Wednesdays and the Libertarians can have Thursdays for instance.
Or Congress can say “This year, Channel 7 in New York City will be run by Ms. Jane Doe of 465 Third Avenue” who won the lottery for broadcast rights.” I wouldn’t care if Jane Doe is a feminist because she would be replaced the next year by lottery.
I am serious. It is corruption to allow the same people to license TV frequencies year after year like that.
Especially when 76% of Americans say they are full of it.
The excuse given is that the FCC gives the licenses to those who pay the most which is good for the US Treasury.
But we can change the criterion to one of “Sharing the Airwaves” because TV frequencies should be seen like parkland or beachfronts. There is nothing Marxist about demanding equal time for PUBLICLY OWNED airwaves.
Luckily, YouTube and other forms of Internet broadcasting have been helping in that regard…but remember that YouTube personnel can remove anything they want. Wikipedia personnel are not much better or they are worse.
It is IRONIC however to see Hillary supporters complaining about a violation of free speech.
If someone tried to regulate PUMA websites you would get violent, but, according to Hillary and the NOW, it is OK to regulate men by background checking them before communicating via websites.
Apparently, PUMAs DESERVE to have their voices heard but the Men’s Rights Movement does not. Otherwise the Clintonites would have allowed males to at least kNOW ABOUT IT when Clinton and Cantwell had all their Senate Hearings about certain feminist issues in the past 8 years.
Hillary’s downfall in 2008 was just a matter of her getting a taste of her own medicine (although I agree that two wrongs do not make a right).
I think it is totally appropriate to compare the PUMA fury over losing their right to be heard in the media with the Men’s Rights fury over their right to be heard in the media — something that Clintonites actively strive to stop.
I mean some of you are doing this now. You are pretending that anyone’s beef with radical feminist lawmaking is just about “dating preferences”.
That is called “conflating” and it is what the Obama people did to you all the time on various subjects.
For instance, you tried to point out that Obama was inexperienced.
They responded by saying “You don’t like him because he is black and from the wrong side of town”.
He was still inexperienced…but they had already pigeon-holed where you were coming from.
They had made your entire point of view politically incorrect, trivial, banal, boorish and not worthy of further discussion.
So you can do the same thing to me and pretend that I am just some nut who shouldn’t care so much about laws against dating women.
That way you can avoid the real issues I have brought up regarding Hillary’s love of Internet regulation and the love for Nanny State “protection” for women.
Regarding the need to stop Hillary’s desire to reglate the Internet and her attack on the Right to Assemble…that really cannot be belittled as just a discussion over “dating preferences”. But even then…someone who wants to actively promote Gay Marriage would be a hypocrit to pretend that Heterosexual Males are “on another planet” if they complain about the Marxist feminist desire to regulate whom they can say hello to and how they can communicate.
Would you care to regulate Gay.com? Would you be telling gays that they are “on another planet” if they thought it was a big deal that your candidate wants to take their rights away?
If you think PUMAs are being ignored, check out how much representation Heterosexual Males are getting. Do you see any candidate actively targeting Heterosexual Males as a constituency?
Going after “NASCAR Dads” or “Joe the Plumber” or assuming that hetero males are the husbands of “Security Moms”…that does not, by a long shot, imply you will care about their rights as heterosexuals.
For instance, NASCAR Dad implies that we should already be someone’s husband before voting.
NASCAR Dad also implies that we are not businessmen who travel the world, but just Joe Schmuck whose primary interest is whether the red car beats the blue car going around in circles on a little track. Welcome to 1984.
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TO ALL P.U.M.A MEMBERS AND AFFILIATES. YOU ARE MY NEW HEROS. YOU HAVE GIVEN ME HOPE FOR TOMORROW UNLIKE ANY IV’E HAD SINCE THE CONSPIRACY INDUCED ECONOMIC CRISIS WHEN MCCAIN’S NUMBERS FELL OFF THE CLIFF.
GOD BLESS YOU ALL.
DAVE, A HUMBLE AND HOPEFULL REPUBLICAN
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Dave – you are welcome, but it is up to you and the rest of patriotic Americans to stop putting Party Before Country and start working together to fix our problems at our most vulnerable time.
Stand Up People – no more Republican, Democrat, or Indie – just Americans.
Has anyone told Nancy yet that I’m coming for her, Frank and Dodd?
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Thanks DiamondTiger.
I agree with you.
Is your organization big enough in numbers to change this election to the McCain/Palin ticket? What’s you take on this.
Give me some more hope.
Thanks,
Dave
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Yes there are enough PUMAs to swing this election – but only if there isn’t massive voter intimidation and fraud. So everybody get your butts to the election centers and take your cameras. Watch for shenanigans and inform the election officials immediately. The Obamanation is already at it again!
http://logisticsmonster.com/2008/11/04/puma-politics-the-obamanation-is-at-it-again/
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I have been a registered Democrat since I was 18 and I am now almost 36 yrs old. In the past I have voted along the Democratic party lines but not this year! I voted for Hillary Clinton in the Primaries because I know her and her husband from Bills time in office as the Governor of Arkansas. I know what they stand for and their policies,experience,and views.
I did not vote for Obama today…..I voted for McCain / Palin.
I think Hillary was treated horribly by Obama, his backers, and the majority of the media and pundants. Sarah Palin has suffered the same biased and sexist comments while running for Vice President. When Hillary was running we all heard alot about …..” We ‘re not sexist…we’d vote for a woman …just not THAT woman!” What a crock of shit! Hillary is far more qualified than Obama and even that turn coat weezle Biden said the same damn thing while he was running against Obama! Biden said that Obama was not qualified! Makes me sick how this election has been so biased and set up for an Obama win….It’s horrible!
When McCain chose Sarah Palin we all got to see first hand that the sexism and bias was not just against ( Hillary Clinton)THAT woman but ANY woman that dares to reach for higher office! This is so very disturbing to so many women all over this country and the world. Once again women have been passed off as “second-class citizens” and made to feel like we are not equals. Why women are willing to stand for this amazes me. Fair pay and equal opportunity for women in business,industry,and politics will never never truly change unless we put a women in the White House as either President or Vice President. That is sad and unfortunate but very true.
I fear that this election has been rigged for an Obama win from the get-go with ACORN sealing the deal and Black Panthers intimedating white voters at polling points it seems even more rigged today. I am astounded that so many people are willing to vote for Obama with no experience , radical friends and views, no executive experience at balancing a budget when our economy is in such turmoil, and with no regaurd to the devestating effects and job losses that will come when he,pelosi,and Reid raise our taxes if he is elected! God help us all because we are all going to need it if Obama wins! It will be devistating to anyone who has worked for a living and it will be a free ride for all those that live on welfare checks for sitting at home playing video games while the rest of us work our asses off to get ahead…..for what? For Obama to take our hard earned cash to give it to those sitting on their asses drawing welfare checks! This is totally disturbing to me and so many others who have always worked hard to get ahead. Today will indeed be a sad day if Obama is elected.
Get out and vote McCain / Palin…At least be willing to stand up for your right to vote because you may not have that right if Obama is elected.
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Dave: The deafening silence you hear from your newfound PUMA friends is because they are too busy working on the Obama people to try to find common ground and jobs so they won’t be in the cold for 4 years and beyond.
Young women voted overwhelmingly for Obama and older PUMAs now know they need to accomodate the wishes of the younger women. That means no Hillary, Hillary has no chance now, ever.
As you know from being a SUPPOSED Republican, Dave, we conservatives and independents never had a problem with a woman being president as long as it was not THAT woman.
You disgraced yourself begging Hillary people for help the other day. You looked like Charlie Brown thinking that Lucy was going to hold the football properly this time. If a conservative candidate needed Hillary’s help, he or she would have to be terribly weak because the US is a conservative country.
And, yes, because Sarah Palin, despite having one our initial respect because of her libertarian utterances in the past, she allowed herself to be endorsed by a NOW feminist leader and just aped George Bush and McCain insanities about maybe needing to go to war with Russia; so many conservatives don’t want THAT woman anywhere near the White House either.
Angela Merkel of Germany, on the other hand, is just great and conservative American males would love to have someone like that run the USA.
Karen Sibelius and Claire McSomething (Missouri) would also make good Democrat presidential material MAYBE in the future after Obama blows it or not.
Don’t ever betray your fellow conservatives like that again Dave. You ignored me the other day to beg powerless PUMAs to join you. On a macro level, people like you were insulting tens of millions of people like me in acting like that. We looked at the castrated males who pandered to the Hillary crowd and just didn’t bother going to the polls.
Why would we want to vote on the same side as you if we don’t even like each other?
In essence, 10 Million conservative males did not vote at all because guys like you wanted Hillary feminists on their side.
And don’t say “I just like these Hillary feminists more than you”…because you may as well join the Democrats if that is your attitude about your fellow American males.
You are aware that most US troops despise Hillary Clinton and victim feminism, right?
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Paul N. Marston Reply:
November 10th, 2008 at 17:42
Fifteen percent of the Hillary supporters voted for McCain-Palin. The PUMA’s did their part. It was the RINO’s who stayed home. While I agree that Hillary’s future looks bleak, most PUMA’s were not about just being for Hillary. They were about being Americans first and Democrats second. That has not changed. Since there are no longer enough Republicans who will vote to win elections, if we want a center-right government which would reflect the position of the majority instead of the far left one that just got elected, we need a cross party coalition. See http://www.marstonchronicles.info/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=101&Itemid=128
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