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	<title>Comments on: John Edwards Scandal: Rielle Hunter, Edwards, Young, Baron Hiding in Plain Sight?</title>
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		<title>By: PJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>PJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 14:11:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just read the Enquirer article---I am agog. They asked the $64 million dollar question: if the affair is over, why the fuck is Edwards&#039;  &quot;friends&quot; still shuttling her around and paying her expenses? If the baby is really Andrew Young&#039;s, why isn&#039;t he paying child support? What could Rielle Hunter say that would be MORE damaging than the affair and their baby? The mind reels.

And even if EE was in the dark before---via the &quot;installment&quot; plan---she HAS to be aware of what is going on now, via Edwards&#039; supporters. 

This bleeds like finding a horse head in your bed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just read the Enquirer article&#8212;I am agog. They asked the $64 million dollar question: if the affair is over, why the fuck is Edwards&#8217;  &#8220;friends&#8221; still shuttling her around and paying her expenses? If the baby is really Andrew Young&#8217;s, why isn&#8217;t he paying child support? What could Rielle Hunter say that would be MORE damaging than the affair and their baby? The mind reels.</p>
<p>And even if EE was in the dark before&#8212;via the &#8220;installment&#8221; plan&#8212;she HAS to be aware of what is going on now, via Edwards&#8217; supporters. </p>
<p>This bleeds like finding a horse head in your bed.</p>
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		<title>By: &#187; John Edwards, Fred Baron: Edwards Campaign Travel Billings Raise Many Questions - Blogger News Network</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#187; John Edwards, Fred Baron: Edwards Campaign Travel Billings Raise Many Questions - Blogger News Network</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 09:36:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] that although he admits talking to Elizabeth Edwards about the subject, he more recently stated he never mentioned Rielle Hunter&#8217;s arrangements to Elizabeth [...]</description>
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		<title>By: John Edwards, Fred Baron: Campaign Travel Billings Raise New Questions &#124; DBKP - The Worldwide Leader in Weird</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Edwards, Fred Baron: Campaign Travel Billings Raise New Questions &#124; DBKP - The Worldwide Leader in Weird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 09:12:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] that although he admits talking to Elizabeth Edwards about the subject, he more recently stated he never mentioned Rielle Hunter&#8217;s arrangements to Elizabeth [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Who da daddy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Who da daddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 06:07:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>National Enquirer has new stuff online:
http://www.nationalenquirer.com/john_edwards_blockbuster_new_expose/celebrity/65316</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>National Enquirer has new stuff online:<br />
<a href="http://www.nationalenquirer.com/john_edwards_blockbuster_new_expose/celebrity/65316" rel="nofollow">http://www.nationalenquirer.com/john_edwards_blockbuster_new_expose/celebrity/65316</a></p>
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		<title>By: Phil Ander</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil Ander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 04:48:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Correctio:  
Paragraph 8. should read that Baron and his wife left the law firm of Baron &amp; Budd, not Baron &amp; Blue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Correctio:<br />
Paragraph 8. should read that Baron and his wife left the law firm of Baron &amp; Budd, not Baron &amp; Blue.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil Ander</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil Ander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 04:18:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John Edwards - Fred Baron Payments Questions

The information on the internet does not jibe.  There is probably a logical explanation but it is not apparent.

1.  Reports filed by the Edwards campaign show many (apparently 128) payments for &quot;airfare&quot; to Frederick Baron (Federal Election Commission, fec.gov; opensecrets.org).  There are more airfare payments to Frederick Baron than any other airfare payee.
2.  There appears to be only one entry for airfare payment to Baron &amp; Budd, of $2,517, according to the Open Secrets website.
3.  Baron&#039;s full name is Frederick Martin Baron.  He lives in Dallas, TX (Wikipedia entry for Fred Baron, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Baron; website for Baron&#039;s charitable foundation, Baron &amp; Blue Foundation, baronandbluefdn.org).   
4.  Baron&#039;s Wikipedia page and many news items on the internet state the campaign paid Fred Baron $1.1 million (or other substantial figures, depending on the date reported) to rent his Hawker 800 private jet.
5. FAA records and other sites, such as aircraftdata.net, do not show any aircraft - - whether a Hawker 800 or other aircraft - - registered in the name of Fred or Frederick M. Baron.  Two planes are registered to a Fred N. Baron in Garberville, CA.  Neither is a Hawker 800.  Fred N. Baron seems to be unconnected to Fred/Frederick M. Baron of Dallas, TX.
6  The Hawker 800, formerly manufactured by Raytheon, is now the BAE 125 Series 800, manufactured by British Aerospace and assembled by Hawker Beechcraft, according to the Wikipedia page, Hawker 800 ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawker_800).
7.  A BAE 125 800, N-number 178AX, has been registered to Baron &amp; Budd since January 2006, FAA online aircraft registration data shows 
8.  Fred Baron and his wife, Lisa Blue, sometimes known as Lisa Baron, left Baron &amp; Blue in 2002 and litigation ensued between the Barons and the firm (Fred Baron&#039;s Wikipedia page).  Neither Fred Baron nor Lisa Blue are listed as lawyers at Baron &amp; Budd&#039;s website, baronandbudd.com.  It seems unlikely the firm&#039;s BAE 125 a/k/a Hawker 800 is leased to or actually owned by the Barons.

If there are no registration records for an aircraft in Fred Baron&#039;s name, why is the campaign paying Frederick Baron for airfare?  If Fred Baron&#039;s ownership is through a corporation, why were the payments listed repeatedly to him instead of the corporation?  Assuming there is error, and Fred Baron does, in fact, own a Hawker 800 (or BAE 125 800), why would he engage in the business of leasing it and receiving substantial income in his individual name rather than doing business through a corporation for liability and tax reasons?  He is a lawyer and would know to consider a corporation for doing business.  He set up a not-for-profit corporation for his charitable foundation, Baron &amp; Blue, so it seems like he would also set up a corporate entity for his aircraft leasing business and require all payments to be made to it.  If a payment were made erroneously to the individual rather to the business once or twice, it could be a simple error, but it seems unusual that dozens of payments would be paid to Baron individually.  Would there not be a difference in accounting for income and being able to deduct expenses for an individual and a corporation?  Would it be possible, if payments were made to an individual for jet leasing, that excess funds could be paid without easy detection and then passed on to other parties?  

On the other hand, it seems such an obvious mistake that surely there is some mistake by the campaign in reporting or by Edwards and Baron, both lawyers.

Did Fred Baron personally pay income on the $1.1 million jet lease payments?  Is it possible to obtain flight records to determine how payments were applied to flights?  Can the campaign provide a copy of the contract with Fred Baron for jet leasing and cancelled checks made in payment?  Is it possible to compare flight expense data of Edwards&#039; campaign with other candidates to see if the expenses are in the ballpark?  

Does anyone have information on a Hawker 800 or other aircraft owned by Fred/Frederick M. Baron, including registration, N-number (the tail number?) and photos?

On a different topic, if Midline Groove was paid in excess of $114,000 for video production pursuant to a contract, did Midline Groove or the campaign pay Rielle Hunter&#039;s hotel and meals expenses on the road?  Can the campaign provide a contract to make clear how those expenses were paid and to clear up other questions about the services provided?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Edwards &#8211; Fred Baron Payments Questions</p>
<p>The information on the internet does not jibe.  There is probably a logical explanation but it is not apparent.</p>
<p>1.  Reports filed by the Edwards campaign show many (apparently 128) payments for &#8220;airfare&#8221; to Frederick Baron (Federal Election Commission, fec.gov; opensecrets.org).  There are more airfare payments to Frederick Baron than any other airfare payee.<br />
2.  There appears to be only one entry for airfare payment to Baron &amp; Budd, of $2,517, according to the Open Secrets website.<br />
3.  Baron&#8217;s full name is Frederick Martin Baron.  He lives in Dallas, TX (Wikipedia entry for Fred Baron, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Baron; website for Baron&#8217;s charitable foundation, Baron &amp; Blue Foundation, baronandbluefdn.org).<br />
4.  Baron&#8217;s Wikipedia page and many news items on the internet state the campaign paid Fred Baron $1.1 million (or other substantial figures, depending on the date reported) to rent his Hawker 800 private jet.<br />
5. FAA records and other sites, such as aircraftdata.net, do not show any aircraft &#8211; - whether a Hawker 800 or other aircraft &#8211; - registered in the name of Fred or Frederick M. Baron.  Two planes are registered to a Fred N. Baron in Garberville, CA.  Neither is a Hawker 800.  Fred N. Baron seems to be unconnected to Fred/Frederick M. Baron of Dallas, TX.<br />
6  The Hawker 800, formerly manufactured by Raytheon, is now the BAE 125 Series 800, manufactured by British Aerospace and assembled by Hawker Beechcraft, according to the Wikipedia page, Hawker 800 ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawker_800).<br />
7.  A BAE 125 800, N-number 178AX, has been registered to Baron &amp; Budd since January 2006, FAA online aircraft registration data shows<br />
8.  Fred Baron and his wife, Lisa Blue, sometimes known as Lisa Baron, left Baron &amp; Blue in 2002 and litigation ensued between the Barons and the firm (Fred Baron&#8217;s Wikipedia page).  Neither Fred Baron nor Lisa Blue are listed as lawyers at Baron &amp; Budd&#8217;s website, baronandbudd.com.  It seems unlikely the firm&#8217;s BAE 125 a/k/a Hawker 800 is leased to or actually owned by the Barons.</p>
<p>If there are no registration records for an aircraft in Fred Baron&#8217;s name, why is the campaign paying Frederick Baron for airfare?  If Fred Baron&#8217;s ownership is through a corporation, why were the payments listed repeatedly to him instead of the corporation?  Assuming there is error, and Fred Baron does, in fact, own a Hawker 800 (or BAE 125 800), why would he engage in the business of leasing it and receiving substantial income in his individual name rather than doing business through a corporation for liability and tax reasons?  He is a lawyer and would know to consider a corporation for doing business.  He set up a not-for-profit corporation for his charitable foundation, Baron &amp; Blue, so it seems like he would also set up a corporate entity for his aircraft leasing business and require all payments to be made to it.  If a payment were made erroneously to the individual rather to the business once or twice, it could be a simple error, but it seems unusual that dozens of payments would be paid to Baron individually.  Would there not be a difference in accounting for income and being able to deduct expenses for an individual and a corporation?  Would it be possible, if payments were made to an individual for jet leasing, that excess funds could be paid without easy detection and then passed on to other parties?  </p>
<p>On the other hand, it seems such an obvious mistake that surely there is some mistake by the campaign in reporting or by Edwards and Baron, both lawyers.</p>
<p>Did Fred Baron personally pay income on the $1.1 million jet lease payments?  Is it possible to obtain flight records to determine how payments were applied to flights?  Can the campaign provide a copy of the contract with Fred Baron for jet leasing and cancelled checks made in payment?  Is it possible to compare flight expense data of Edwards&#8217; campaign with other candidates to see if the expenses are in the ballpark?  </p>
<p>Does anyone have information on a Hawker 800 or other aircraft owned by Fred/Frederick M. Baron, including registration, N-number (the tail number?) and photos?</p>
<p>On a different topic, if Midline Groove was paid in excess of $114,000 for video production pursuant to a contract, did Midline Groove or the campaign pay Rielle Hunter&#8217;s hotel and meals expenses on the road?  Can the campaign provide a contract to make clear how those expenses were paid and to clear up other questions about the services provided?</p>
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		<title>By: Who da daddy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Who da daddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 03:52:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just speculation, but, I suspect Mrs. Edwards has been getting little pieces of truth for a while, but actually seeing the swarmy composure of her husband in the Nightline interview may have helped her to see what a narcissistic, lying piece of trash he truly was. I don&#039;t believe the claims that he &quot;fessed up to everything long ago&quot; and was &quot;forgiven.&quot; She might have found out something and been told it was an isolated incident, but didn&#039;t know the full extent of the relationship...or the fact that it continued on and likely produced a child.

Edwards is likely telling himself that he&#039;s being magnanimous in trying to &quot;protect&quot; Elizabeth in her dying days (sort of like his magnanimity in accepting full blame for the affair, LOL) but he&#039;s just trying to keep too many balls up in the air - it&#039;s all going to come crashing down around him. He won&#039;t be able to placate both his wife and his babymama/mistress indefinitely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just speculation, but, I suspect Mrs. Edwards has been getting little pieces of truth for a while, but actually seeing the swarmy composure of her husband in the Nightline interview may have helped her to see what a narcissistic, lying piece of trash he truly was. I don&#8217;t believe the claims that he &#8220;fessed up to everything long ago&#8221; and was &#8220;forgiven.&#8221; She might have found out something and been told it was an isolated incident, but didn&#8217;t know the full extent of the relationship&#8230;or the fact that it continued on and likely produced a child.</p>
<p>Edwards is likely telling himself that he&#8217;s being magnanimous in trying to &#8220;protect&#8221; Elizabeth in her dying days (sort of like his magnanimity in accepting full blame for the affair, LOL) but he&#8217;s just trying to keep too many balls up in the air &#8211; it&#8217;s all going to come crashing down around him. He won&#8217;t be able to placate both his wife and his babymama/mistress indefinitely.</p>
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		<title>By: PJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>PJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 03:40:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have sympathy for EE, but zero respect. What the hell was that PEOPLE interview supposed to be about? If the Edwards have been so candid and forthcoming, what&#039;s with all the hiding and secrecy? People with nothing to hide don&#039;t act the way the Edwards have, I&#039;m sorry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have sympathy for EE, but zero respect. What the hell was that PEOPLE interview supposed to be about? If the Edwards have been so candid and forthcoming, what&#8217;s with all the hiding and secrecy? People with nothing to hide don&#8217;t act the way the Edwards have, I&#8217;m sorry.</p>
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		<title>By: Jane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 01:17:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think she might just be too flat out whipped to dump him. I think it is possible, when you are facing the knowledge of your impending death, (you KNOW you won&#039;t make it 5 years), something takes over which makes everything seem unimportant. Maybe this whole thing IS being driven by EE, but, maybe it isn&#039;t an effort to hide stuff from her. Maybe she just wants to have the world a certain way while she is around. And this might mean having you know who out of sight, out of mind. All EE has to do is quit surfing the net and she can pretend all of this will go away. So, I agree with your premise, I just thought I would throw out this twist.  

I had some experience with infidelity. I swear, unless you see someone in the act, you want to believe them when they say all the stuff they say to make you fell better. I think it is an actual mental illness. (I am only being half serious.) 

Anyway, this whole &#039;affair&#039; is so bizarre. It is hard to remember that John Edwards seemed like a normal person. I live in NC and I remember when he ran for the senate and the ads making them look like the second coming of the Kennedy&#039;s... the lovely, blurry house in the background, the two little toddlers running through the Monet like lawn.  At first, I though they were a young couple (this was before I had ever heard of him.) I remember thinking &quot;how odd&quot; when I found out there was another grown child and the story of how they decided to have the two little ones. I remember thinking, &quot;what a selfish thing, what if they die  and don&#039;t see them through college?&quot; Really, I thought that. I have always thought they were over the top and slightly unbelievable. He actually thought he DESERVED to be president. Based on a bunch of nothing.

I have a good friend who went to the same Highschool in Robbins, (daughter of a mill worker, really!) she was in his class. Her mother knows his mother. He was the golden boy. What a schmuck. The town must be in shock...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think she might just be too flat out whipped to dump him. I think it is possible, when you are facing the knowledge of your impending death, (you KNOW you won&#8217;t make it 5 years), something takes over which makes everything seem unimportant. Maybe this whole thing IS being driven by EE, but, maybe it isn&#8217;t an effort to hide stuff from her. Maybe she just wants to have the world a certain way while she is around. And this might mean having you know who out of sight, out of mind. All EE has to do is quit surfing the net and she can pretend all of this will go away. So, I agree with your premise, I just thought I would throw out this twist.  </p>
<p>I had some experience with infidelity. I swear, unless you see someone in the act, you want to believe them when they say all the stuff they say to make you fell better. I think it is an actual mental illness. (I am only being half serious.) </p>
<p>Anyway, this whole &#8216;affair&#8217; is so bizarre. It is hard to remember that John Edwards seemed like a normal person. I live in NC and I remember when he ran for the senate and the ads making them look like the second coming of the Kennedy&#8217;s&#8230; the lovely, blurry house in the background, the two little toddlers running through the Monet like lawn.  At first, I though they were a young couple (this was before I had ever heard of him.) I remember thinking &#8220;how odd&#8221; when I found out there was another grown child and the story of how they decided to have the two little ones. I remember thinking, &#8220;what a selfish thing, what if they die  and don&#8217;t see them through college?&#8221; Really, I thought that. I have always thought they were over the top and slightly unbelievable. He actually thought he DESERVED to be president. Based on a bunch of nothing.</p>
<p>I have a good friend who went to the same Highschool in Robbins, (daughter of a mill worker, really!) she was in his class. Her mother knows his mother. He was the golden boy. What a schmuck. The town must be in shock&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Who da daddy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Who da daddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 01:00:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, Jane, it&#039;s gruesome. Unfortunately, it&#039;s also reality sometimes.

If you go back and look at the news stories, interviews, etc. of Elizabeth Edwards in 2006-2008, it doesn&#039;t appear that she had much of a clue about what her husband was doing. She&#039;s not the typical wife. She&#039;s been through losing a child - you actually think dumping Edwards&#039; lying, cheating butt would have been worse than that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Jane, it&#8217;s gruesome. Unfortunately, it&#8217;s also reality sometimes.</p>
<p>If you go back and look at the news stories, interviews, etc. of Elizabeth Edwards in 2006-2008, it doesn&#8217;t appear that she had much of a clue about what her husband was doing. She&#8217;s not the typical wife. She&#8217;s been through losing a child &#8211; you actually think dumping Edwards&#8217; lying, cheating butt would have been worse than that?</p>
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