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		<title>By: &#187; John Edwards: Campaign Refunded Fat Cats; Shafted &#8220;Shallow Pockets&#8221; Contributors - Blogger News Network</title>
		<link>http://deathby1000papercuts.com/2008/08/edwards-campaign-quietly-refunds-contributions-to-bundlers-big-backers/comment-page-1/#comment-4874</link>
		<dc:creator>&#187; John Edwards: Campaign Refunded Fat Cats; Shafted &#8220;Shallow Pockets&#8221; Contributors - Blogger News Network</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 19:23:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] When DBKP first reported on August 25 that the Edwards campaign had quietly refunded almost $4 milli... in campaign contributions to big donors and bundlers&#8211;leaving little campaign contributors, or shallow pocket voters, out in the cold&#8211;the response by some was: &#8220;so what&#8221; or &#8220;no big deal&#8221;. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] When DBKP first reported on August 25 that the Edwards campaign had quietly refunded almost $4 milli&#8230; in campaign contributions to big donors and bundlers&#8211;leaving little campaign contributors, or shallow pocket voters, out in the cold&#8211;the response by some was: &#8220;so what&#8221; or &#8220;no big deal&#8221;. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: F3 Coalition - [Faith. Family. Freedom.] &#187; Blog Archive &#187; These Campaigns Will Self-Destruct</title>
		<link>http://deathby1000papercuts.com/2008/08/edwards-campaign-quietly-refunds-contributions-to-bundlers-big-backers/comment-page-1/#comment-4115</link>
		<dc:creator>F3 Coalition - [Faith. Family. Freedom.] &#187; Blog Archive &#187; These Campaigns Will Self-Destruct</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 03:52:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Edwards proves there are two Americas: rich donors who get campaign refunds from Edwards and small donors who get the shaft.  (Hat Tip: [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Edwards proves there are two Americas: rich donors who get campaign refunds from Edwards and small donors who get the shaft.  (Hat Tip: [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Warning: These Campaigns Will Self-Destruct</title>
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		<dc:creator>Warning: These Campaigns Will Self-Destruct</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 03:48:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Edwards proves there are two Americas: rich donors who get campaign refunds from Edwards and small donors who get the shaft.  (Hat Tip: [...]</description>
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		<title>By: 28 Dem National Convention Pix: Anti-War March, Patriots Corner and Moonbats &#124; DBKP - The Worldwide Leader in Weird</title>
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		<dc:creator>28 Dem National Convention Pix: Anti-War March, Patriots Corner and Moonbats &#124; DBKP - The Worldwide Leader in Weird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 03:12:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] We apologize: these came in last night, but because of an all-nighter we pulled on another story (the curious refunds of the Edwards campaign), we&#8217;re only now getting them [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] We apologize: these came in last night, but because of an all-nighter we pulled on another story (the curious refunds of the Edwards campaign), we&#8217;re only now getting them [...]</p>
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		<title>By: LBG</title>
		<link>http://deathby1000papercuts.com/2008/08/edwards-campaign-quietly-refunds-contributions-to-bundlers-big-backers/comment-page-1/#comment-4110</link>
		<dc:creator>LBG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 01:15:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DP Wiener

You&#039;re right, it&#039;s a moral argument involving discretion.

We&#039;ve looked at the refunds and quite a few of the bundlers received not only their general election refund but also the primary refund. Which was one part legal--the general refund---and one part discretion by the campaign. 

What we&#039;re arguing is that Edwards is refunding quite a bit of the primary contributions to his bundlers while the &quot;little&quot; contributors aren&#039;t seeing a penny. 

Why shouldn&#039;t the &quot;little people&quot; who contributed to the Edwards campaign and now want their money back, the non-bundlers and fat cats, get their money refunded? 

Edwards is showing his true colors, he talked the talk but never walked the walk.  We don&#039;t mind being advocates for those who need help in getting a refund from Edwards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DP Wiener</p>
<p>You&#8217;re right, it&#8217;s a moral argument involving discretion.</p>
<p>We&#8217;ve looked at the refunds and quite a few of the bundlers received not only their general election refund but also the primary refund. Which was one part legal&#8211;the general refund&#8212;and one part discretion by the campaign. </p>
<p>What we&#8217;re arguing is that Edwards is refunding quite a bit of the primary contributions to his bundlers while the &#8220;little&#8221; contributors aren&#8217;t seeing a penny. </p>
<p>Why shouldn&#8217;t the &#8220;little people&#8221; who contributed to the Edwards campaign and now want their money back, the non-bundlers and fat cats, get their money refunded? </p>
<p>Edwards is showing his true colors, he talked the talk but never walked the walk.  We don&#8217;t mind being advocates for those who need help in getting a refund from Edwards.</p>
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		<title>By: &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Defend-America.com &#124; where you defend your “America” as you see it and love it… Politics/Religion/Philosophy</title>
		<link>http://deathby1000papercuts.com/2008/08/edwards-campaign-quietly-refunds-contributions-to-bundlers-big-backers/comment-page-1/#comment-4107</link>
		<dc:creator>&#187; Blog Archive &#187; Defend-America.com &#124; where you defend your “America” as you see it and love it… Politics/Religion/Philosophy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 00:46:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] h/t Hotair.com [...]</description>
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		<title>By: dpwiener</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 23:25:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me just briefly clarify: I think that Edwards&#039; contributors, both large and small, have an excellent moral argument that they were lied to and defrauded by him.  Whether they have a legal argument is more doubtful, since politicians lie all the time; hence contributors should generally be ruled by the principle of &quot;caveat emptor&quot;.  Still, it would be deliciously ironic to watch such a bleeding-edge lawsuit proceed against a trial lawyer.

All that being said, I don&#039;t think it has anything to do with the issue of large contributors getting legally-mandated refunds for their donations to the general election campaign.  And I don&#039;t think small contributors who only contributed to the primary campaign are being unfairly treated compared to the large contributors (who by definition also got shafted for their full $2300 maxed-out contributions to the primary campaign).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me just briefly clarify: I think that Edwards&#8217; contributors, both large and small, have an excellent moral argument that they were lied to and defrauded by him.  Whether they have a legal argument is more doubtful, since politicians lie all the time; hence contributors should generally be ruled by the principle of &#8220;caveat emptor&#8221;.  Still, it would be deliciously ironic to watch such a bleeding-edge lawsuit proceed against a trial lawyer.</p>
<p>All that being said, I don&#8217;t think it has anything to do with the issue of large contributors getting legally-mandated refunds for their donations to the general election campaign.  And I don&#8217;t think small contributors who only contributed to the primary campaign are being unfairly treated compared to the large contributors (who by definition also got shafted for their full $2300 maxed-out contributions to the primary campaign).</p>
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		<title>By: John Edwards Campaign Refunds: More Questions than Answers &#124; DBKP - The Worldwide Leader in Weird</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Edwards Campaign Refunds: More Questions than Answers &#124; DBKP - The Worldwide Leader in Weird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 23:01:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Is there a deadline for applying for refunds? I would appreciate any help anyone can give me.&#8220; &#8211;Iowa Pensioner, in a comment to our earlier story, Edwards’ Campaign Quietly Refunds Contributions to Bundlers, Big Backers  [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Is there a deadline for applying for refunds? I would appreciate any help anyone can give me.&#8220; &#8211;Iowa Pensioner, in a comment to our earlier story, Edwards’ Campaign Quietly Refunds Contributions to Bundlers, Big Backers  [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Dossier</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 21:15:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At last, John Edwards proved to voters that there really are two Americas.

And the only one&#039;s he&#039;s giving refunds to are the ones who reap the rewards and think  they can buy the Congress or Presidency.

Wee bit hypocritical, methinks.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9D03EED91139F930A15752C0A9629C8B63

&#039;&#039;One America that does the work, another America that reaps the reward. One America that pays the taxes, another America that gets the tax breaks. . . . One America -- middle-class America -- whose needs Washington has long forgotten. Another America -- narrow-interest America -- whose every wish is Washington&#039;s command. One America that is struggling to get by, another America that can buy anything it wants, even a Congress and a President.&#039;&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At last, John Edwards proved to voters that there really are two Americas.</p>
<p>And the only one&#8217;s he&#8217;s giving refunds to are the ones who reap the rewards and think  they can buy the Congress or Presidency.</p>
<p>Wee bit hypocritical, methinks.</p>
<p><a href="http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9D03EED91139F930A15752C0A9629C8B63" rel="nofollow">http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9D03EED91139F930A15752C0A9629C8B63</a></p>
<p>&#8221;One America that does the work, another America that reaps the reward. One America that pays the taxes, another America that gets the tax breaks. . . . One America &#8212; middle-class America &#8212; whose needs Washington has long forgotten. Another America &#8212; narrow-interest America &#8212; whose every wish is Washington&#8217;s command. One America that is struggling to get by, another America that can buy anything it wants, even a Congress and a President.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: LBG1</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 21:10:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DP Wiener:

DP you made some great points. 

This is the issue I take umbrage too:

&quot;I don&#039;t see why it should matter to smaller contributors.  If they gave less than $2300, then all of it would go towards Edwards&#039; primary campaign, which is what they wanted at the time.  How were they hurt?&quot;

You assume you know what the smaller contributors want. 

The smaller donors are upset that their candidate, Edwards, mislead them while taking their money. While his bundlers and high end donors received refunds due to a different reason, they still got their money back while the little guys are left to sit and stew. 

They see it as unfair and so do we.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DP Wiener:</p>
<p>DP you made some great points. </p>
<p>This is the issue I take umbrage too:</p>
<p>&#8220;I don&#8217;t see why it should matter to smaller contributors.  If they gave less than $2300, then all of it would go towards Edwards&#8217; primary campaign, which is what they wanted at the time.  How were they hurt?&#8221;</p>
<p>You assume you know what the smaller contributors want. </p>
<p>The smaller donors are upset that their candidate, Edwards, mislead them while taking their money. While his bundlers and high end donors received refunds due to a different reason, they still got their money back while the little guys are left to sit and stew. </p>
<p>They see it as unfair and so do we.</p>
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