Joe Horn Covered by New Texas Deadly Force Law
Albert Einstein once said “The world is a dangerous place, not because of those who do evil, but because of those who look on and do nothing.”
Yesterday DBKP wrote about Joe Horn, the Texas man who was cleared by the Harris County Grand Jury after he shot two illegal “immigrants” when they had broken into a neighbor’s home in Pasadena TX in November. Horn’s actions, that of a private citizen using deadly force against someone committing a felony, were covered by a new Texas statute, the Castle Law, or Senate Bill 378.
“Don’t go outside the house,†the 911 operator pleaded. “You’re going to get yourself shot if you go outside that house with a gun. I don’t care what you think.â€
“You want to make a bet?†Horn answered. “I’m going to kill them.â€
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Horn had called 911 to report that he had witnessed the two men break into his neighbor’s home in broad daylight. Horn, whose conversation was taped, ignored the operator’s order to remain inside his home. The tape picked up the sounds of Horn “confronting” the two men as they left the house and headed for the street:
“Move,†Horn can be heard saying on the tape. “You’re dead.â€
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The two men died from gunshot wounds in the back while the whole incident was witnessed by a plainclothes detective who had just pulled up to the curb in front of Horn’s residence. The detective stated that he had “ducked” under the steering wheel of his car when he saw Horn shoot the men for fear that Horn might mistakenly shoot him as the “wheel man”.
“I had no choice,†he said, his voice shaking. “They came in the front yard with me, man. I had no choice. Get somebody over here quick.†[1]
Horn’s attorney, Tom Lambright, said his client was attempting to “gather evidence” for the cops. What’s interesting about Horn’s case is that the Texas legislature signed a new bill in 2007 that applied to Horn’s dilemna. The Castle Law, signed by Texas Govenor Rick Perry last March, went into effect on the first of September. Less than three months later this law protected Horn from prosecution and civil litigation for using deadly force as a private citizen.
“The right to defend oneself from an imminent act of harm should not only be clearly defined in Texas law, but is intuitive to human nature,†said Gov. Perry. “Today, I am proud to sign the Castle Law which allows Texans to not only protect themselves from criminals, but to receive the protection of state law when circumstances dictate that they use deadly force.”
The Castle Law, or Senate Bill 378, extends a person’s right in the state of Texas to use “reasonable” deadly force when an intruder commits “certain crimes” such as attempted murder or murder, attempted sexual assault or assault, unlawfully trying to enter a protected place, such as one’s home, workplace, or car, or when someone is attempting to “remove someone from a protected place”. The law also protects citizens from civil litigation.
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Because homicide and murder have no statute of limitations. Under Texas law if a grand jury returns a “no-bill” (no indictment) a future district attorney would be prohibited from reopening the case unless there were new evidence. This protects people from being indicted by any politically ambitious but uncscrupulous prosecutor like a Spitzer reopening a case for no reason other than noteriety and self promotion. Also, the “no-bill” will protect Mr. Horn from civil suits along with the new “castle doctrine” law that became effective last year. Source – Paleo Conservative, Free Republic
Horn’s actions, shooting two men in broad daylight in the back while they were leaving a neighbor’s house they had just broken into, were covered by this new law.
The Castle Law was written to extend the “blanket of non-prosecutory action” against private citizens using deadly force. Another law was passed in 1995, one that sought to redress a 1973 statute which made it illegal for citizens to use deadly force, and instead directed people to, in essence, run away when faced with defending their property or life. The law does not give citizens carte blanche to use deadly force but does give them latitude when faced with protecting their lives or property.
Horn’s actions have caused considerable debate. The two men, who were illegal aliens, had broken into a neighbor’s home. Horn “confronted” the two after they had left the premises and were on their way back to the street, neither of the two carried a gun or knife. After Horn told the two to “freeze”, it was a matter of seconds when both men were dead. Horn had also been repeatedly warned by the 911 operator to remain indoors. Horn was protecting his neighbor’s property but also claimed that when he saw the two men they had “angled” over the property line in his “direction”. Nevertheless, forensic evidence showed that both were shot running away from Horn.
We wondered whether Horn’s actions were covered by Texas Citizen Arrest laws.
Article 14.01 of the Code of Criminal Procedure states the conditions that allow a private person to make an arrest. Article 14.01 “Offense within view†A peace officer or any other person, may, without a warrant , arrest an offender when their offense is committed in his presence or within his view, if the offense is one classed as a felony or as an offense against the public peace. Source – Texas Department of Public Safety
The Texas Department of Public Safety writes that a Citizen Arrest is covered by different statutes.
Article 14.01 of the Code of Criminal Procedure states the “conditions” under which a person can make a citizen arrest. The crime must be classed as a felony or an “offense against public peace” and also must be committed “within view” or in the presence of a private citizen.
Article 15.22 addresses what constitutes an “arrest”. A person has been “arrested” when they are “actually taken under restraint or into custody by an officer or person executing a warrant of arrest, or by an officer or person arresting without a warrant”.
In simple terms an arrest is a form of lawful control by one person over the actions of another. An arrest, in Texas law, is “The apprehension or detention of another in order that he may be forthcoming to answer for an alleged or supposed crimes .†An arrest may be made by a peace officer or private citizen. To deprive someone of their liberty or freedom of movement may be viewed as an arrest. Source – Texas Dept. of Public Safety
Since there was never any indication that Horn attempted to arrest the two then the Citizen Arrest statutes would not apply. The Grand Jury declined to press charges under what is known as a “True Bill” which means Horn cannot face additional charges unless the prosecutor’s office gathers new evidence. Horn is also protected from civil litigation, as his actions were covered by the Castle Law which went into force September 1.
The two men were in the country illegally. One had been spent time in prison for dealing cocaine and then had been deported back to Columbia in 1999.
By LBG
Hat Tip: Paleo Conservative, Free Republic
Hat Tip: Einstein quote – Alligator, Free Republic
Source – DBKP – Joe Horn Cleared by Harris County Grand Jury
Source – Texas Govenor’s Office – Castle Law
Source – Texas Department of Public Safety
Source - DBKP – Joe Horn: Man Who Shot Two Burglars in the Back
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A “famous” black muslim from Houston led a threatening march in Horn’s neighborhood – threating him for killing their skin deep “brothers.” Leave it to Texas. The men of the whole damn neighborhood met the black muslims at Horn’s house and shouted for them to leave. The black muslims could not play for the cameras because they could not be heard over the shouting of Horn’s neighbors. They considered Horn a hero for protecting the hood. There were way more neighbors than criminal supporters. It ws amazing to see. The black muslims slinked away…and the neighbors went on living and working.
There was no racism. It was pro-criminal against anti-criminal. Just beautiful to see.
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Crazy idea: Don’t burgle other people’s houses.
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got that right…I’d blow em all to hell and back then to hell again. This guy delivered more justice that the justice system could have never delivered in the last 50 years.
the justice system does nothing to appease the victims of crime what so ever. the only thing they are concerned with is pampering scumbag criminals with kid gloves and making sure that they are properly looked after.
i have nothing but absolute contempt for the justice system, the courts the judges and human rights lawyers. i don’t recognize any of them. they are just like the scumbags they try to defend. I’ve made one sworn promise in my life and on everything i believe in, i have a family and the day that anyone brings any harm to them, my daughter, my madam or my parents…..make no mistake….i will strike down upon who ever it is with great vengeance and viciousness and absolute brutality that it will make the hosts of heaven and hell shed a tear, my method and type of justice will know no limits and i will make sure that the ones who seek to defend the perp get a piece of it, even if it means violently ending my life in the process….that’s justice.
I’m sure if those two scumbags had killed that brave guy, those activist and the ones who opposed his actions would not have even farted on cotton balls and give his relatives to smell furthermore offered sympathy or voiced outrage.
A criminal is the scumbag equivalent to a terrorist and i think the war on crime should be fought along the same lines as the war on terror. there should be no distinction between the two, there should be no distinction between the methods involved in putting them down no mater how brutal and unconventional it may seem to so called “rule of law”.
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If these people had any moral value’s or sense of logic they wouldn’t have commited the crime in the first place. But they did, and they had to expect the possibility that they might get shot, and quite possibly killed for their actions. And for that I say it’s their own fault. If they hadn’t taken that chance they would still be alive today. I don’t understand how someone can take those kind of chances with their life. Joe Horn did what he thought was right and I stand behind his decision. As someone who has been a victim of robbery before I probably would have done the same thing.
You say “It seems folks in Houston feel that property is now more valuable than human life.”
I say you are correct…the robbers thought that someone else’s property was more valuable to them than their own lives…and they paid the ultimate price for that choice.
I only hope that others like them take this as a lesson, that this can happen to you too. So think about your actions before you jeopardize your own life.
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I wanted to talk to the CNN guy and tell him that this went beyond what it seemed. See, if the two guys had learned ENGLISH, they might have heard Joe Horn telling them to stop. Stupid is as stupid dies.
Illegal+Thieves+No regard for anything right=dead
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We have orderly society because we have the “rule of law”. What Mr. Horn did was to shoot two unarmed, fleeing men who were no threat to him in the back. I’ve read the crime scene reports, Mr. Horn’s statement and that of the witnessing officer. Have you?
Career criminals or “illegals” or not, these were human beings that did not to deserve to be shot in the back. Had he shot them in their fronts, I’d not have a problem, but he shot two men in the back as they ran away from him. Not to mention, they had dropped the loot from the neighbor’s house.
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Robert said:
We have orderly society because we have the “rule of lawâ€. What Mr. Horn did was to shoot two unarmed, fleeing men who were no threat to him in the back. I’ve read the crime scene reports, Mr. Horn’s statement and that of the witnessing officer. Have you?
Career criminals or “illegals†or not, these were human beings that did not to deserve to be shot in the back. Had he shot them in their fronts, I’d not have a problem, but he shot two men in the back as they ran away from him. Not to mention, they had dropped the loot from the neighbor’s house.
This has always been my contention, that Horn shot the two men in the back while they were fleeing. There was never any mention of any “threatening” action by the two men. As you said, “career criminals or “illegals” or not, these were two human beings that did not deserve to be shot in the back”. I agree.
Thank you for your comment.
LBG
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