Comments on: Nanny State: Personal Freedom Ends Where the Smoke Nazis Rule http://deathby1000papercuts.com/2008/05/nanny-state-personal-freedom-ends-where-the-smoke-nazis-hold-sway/ The WORLDWIDE LEADER in WEIRD ~~~ News -Politics -Commentary -Weird News -Crime -Opinion -Entertainment -Scandals -Celebrities -Conspiracies -Video Tue, 14 Feb 2012 00:39:34 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: thomas vesely http://deathby1000papercuts.com/2008/05/nanny-state-personal-freedom-ends-where-the-smoke-nazis-hold-sway/comment-page-1/#comment-68041 thomas vesely Mon, 29 Aug 2011 03:33:20 +0000 http://deathby1000papercuts.com/?p=945#comment-68041 we, in austalia, can no longer see which cigarettes are being sold and at what price.under 18 are not permitted to handle the product(sales staff). if your brand is currently unavailable,the sales staff are not permitted to tell you what they do stock. this is so silly. we, in austalia, can no longer see which cigarettes are being sold and at what price.under 18 are not permitted to handle the product(sales staff). if your brand is currently unavailable,the sales staff are not permitted to tell you what they do stock.
this is so silly.

]]> By: Moe http://deathby1000papercuts.com/2008/05/nanny-state-personal-freedom-ends-where-the-smoke-nazis-hold-sway/comment-page-1/#comment-27893 Moe Sat, 31 Jul 2010 05:17:50 +0000 http://deathby1000papercuts.com/?p=945#comment-27893 Libertarian, really? I’m not a libertarian but I believe I come closer then you do. There are most likely jobs that people who work in smoking restaurants won’t do. It would seem that working in a smoking restaurant is not among them. People who won’t work in smoking restaurants simply don’t. Non smoking restaurants vastly out number smoking restaurants. The notion that someone is forced to work in a smoking restaurant is obscured. They don’t need you as an advocate. Libertarian, really? I’m not a libertarian but I believe I come closer then you do. There are most likely jobs that people who work in smoking restaurants won’t do. It would seem that working in a smoking restaurant is not among them. People who won’t work in smoking restaurants simply don’t. Non smoking restaurants vastly out number smoking restaurants. The notion that someone is forced to work in a smoking restaurant is obscured. They don’t need you as an advocate.

]]> By: smokefreelyva.com http://deathby1000papercuts.com/2008/05/nanny-state-personal-freedom-ends-where-the-smoke-nazis-hold-sway/comment-page-1/#comment-16882 smokefreelyva.com Fri, 09 Apr 2010 04:22:40 +0000 http://deathby1000papercuts.com/?p=945#comment-16882 When you say public business, do you mean like DMV or City Hall. OK, I’ll go along with that. It’s the ban on smoking in private business (by the government) I have a problem with. If you don’t like Chevy’s, don’t go to the Chevy dealer to buy a Toyota. Your solution would be to have Chevy dealers outlawed. If you don’t like smoking in restaurants and bars that then use non smoking restaurants and bars. Why it is everyone these days wants to rule everyone else. We have become a people consumed by folly. Q. “Is there anything wrong with “the population” i.e., voters, being able to set aside places where smoking is prohibited” A. Yes, it a perversion of democracy to regulate personal chose of the use of a legal product on private property. Your confusing democracy with mob rule. “don’t want to encounter it (smoking) in restaurants.” No one has to. In localities without smoking bans most restaurants and non smoking. I don’t care for Chinese food or even the smell of it. My solution may seem strange to you, but I simply stay away from Chinese restaurants. Perhaps I’m a fool and should be calling for a prohibition of them. When you say public business, do you mean like DMV or City Hall. OK, I’ll go along with that. It’s the ban on smoking in private business (by the government) I have a problem with. If you don’t like Chevy’s, don’t go to the Chevy dealer to buy a Toyota. Your solution would be to have Chevy dealers outlawed. If you don’t like smoking in restaurants and bars that then use non smoking restaurants and bars. Why it is everyone these days wants to rule everyone else. We have become a people consumed by folly.

Q. “Is there anything wrong with “the population” i.e., voters, being able to set aside places where smoking is prohibited”
A. Yes, it a perversion of democracy to regulate personal chose of the use of a legal product on private property. Your confusing democracy with mob rule.

“don’t want to encounter it (smoking) in restaurants.” No one has to. In localities without smoking bans most restaurants and non smoking. I don’t care for Chinese food or even the smell of it. My solution may seem strange to you, but I simply stay away from Chinese restaurants. Perhaps I’m a fool and should be calling for a prohibition of them.

]]> By: Marian Sanchez http://deathby1000papercuts.com/2008/05/nanny-state-personal-freedom-ends-where-the-smoke-nazis-hold-sway/comment-page-1/#comment-1076 Marian Sanchez Wed, 21 May 2008 17:19:13 +0000 http://deathby1000papercuts.com/?p=945#comment-1076 This issue goes way beyond the "quality of your air space"! Yes, it is about slowly conditioning the masses to less and less freedoms. Yet there is more to it than that even. Smoking balances out our metabolism, raises our immune defenses, excites neurotransmitters, and the most effective way of diffusing it into the brain tissues is by SMOKING. It has been well known since the 40's that nicotine can lesson the effects of Alzheimer's and Parkinson's. There is plenty of research to show this to be true. <a href="http://www.forces.org/evidence/hamilton/other/nicotine.htm" rel="nofollow">NICOTINE BENEFITS</a> Unlike pharmaceuticals, when nicotine enters a receptor site, it can go onto other receptor sites in the brain and body to do more. It increases acetylcholine (boosting memory) and mimics thyrotropin, to increase thyroid functioning. Here's the true SMOKING GUN TO WHY IT IS BEING DEMONIZED --> <strong>Nicotine protects and repairs our brains</strong> against continual radio frequency bombardment of cell phones and cell phone towers. From the Bioelectromagnetic Research Laboratory at the Univ. of Wash in Seattle, experiments were carried out exposing rats to RF. After 20 min, acetylcholine decreased and after repeated exposure the receptor sites decreased especially in the frontal cortex (cognitive abilities and long term memory). In the cells of the rats exposed to RF, there were BREAKS IN THE STRANDS OF DNA in the nerve cells which have a lower capability for repair and the damage becomes cumulative. There even <strong>MORE GOOD REASONS TO SMOKE:</strong> it helps the sheath of the nerve synapses to repair. From the <a href="http://www.neuropsychiatryreviews.com/07jan/myelin.html" rel="nofollow">Journal of Neuropsychiatry</a> <blockquote>--<strong>Direct nicotinic stimulation associated with smoking</strong> has been shown to increase nicotinic receptors in the late myelinating frontal and temporal intracortical regions. Unlike most agonists, nicotine causes an up-regulation of its receptors and <strong>has been shown to accelerate brain function recovery when white matter is damaged.</strong></blockquote> Many years ago, I read some fascinating research by <a href="http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/wave13h.htm" rel="nofollow">Laura Knight-Jadczyk</a> and must give her credit for connecting the dots on this issue. This issue goes way beyond the “quality of your air space”! Yes, it is about slowly conditioning the masses to less and less freedoms. Yet there is more to it than that even. Smoking balances out our metabolism, raises our immune defenses, excites neurotransmitters, and the most effective way of diffusing it into the brain tissues is by SMOKING.

It has been well known since the 40′s that nicotine can lesson the effects of Alzheimer’s and Parkinson’s. There is plenty of research to show this to be true. NICOTINE BENEFITS

Unlike pharmaceuticals, when nicotine enters a receptor site, it can go onto other receptor sites in the brain and body to do more. It increases acetylcholine (boosting memory) and mimics thyrotropin, to increase thyroid functioning.

Here’s the true SMOKING GUN TO WHY IT IS BEING DEMONIZED –> Nicotine protects and repairs our brains against continual radio frequency bombardment of cell phones and cell phone towers. From the Bioelectromagnetic Research Laboratory at the Univ. of Wash in Seattle, experiments were carried out exposing rats to RF. After 20 min, acetylcholine decreased and after repeated exposure the receptor sites decreased especially in the frontal cortex (cognitive abilities and long term memory). In the cells of the rats exposed to RF, there were BREAKS IN THE STRANDS OF DNA in the nerve cells which have a lower capability for repair and the damage becomes cumulative.

There even MORE GOOD REASONS TO SMOKE: it helps the sheath of the nerve synapses to repair. From the Journal of Neuropsychiatry

–Direct nicotinic stimulation associated with smoking has been shown to increase nicotinic receptors in the late myelinating frontal and temporal intracortical regions. Unlike most agonists, nicotine causes an up-regulation of its receptors and has been shown to accelerate brain function recovery when white matter is damaged.

Many years ago, I read some fascinating research by Laura Knight-Jadczyk and must give her credit for connecting the dots on this issue.

]]> By: admin http://deathby1000papercuts.com/2008/05/nanny-state-personal-freedom-ends-where-the-smoke-nazis-hold-sway/comment-page-1/#comment-1072 admin Wed, 21 May 2008 14:04:35 +0000 http://deathby1000papercuts.com/?p=945#comment-1072 MARK: <em> "Last I heard, people were still free to go into bars that permit smoking, whether or not there are signs at the front door, and people were still free to smoke or not as they choose."</em> If that were true everywhere, then there would be NO problem. However, in the county next to me, there is no choice: smoking is banned in bars, restaurants and all public places. In our county, public health officials (who control the particulars of the smoking ban county-wide and are unelected) are moving next to outlawing smoking in all bars next--one of the last places left where people have a choice. In almost every instance, smoking bans are begun reasonably enough: with no-smoking sections provided in restaurants and other referenced public places. Then, once the ban is established, the number of establishments where smoking is allowed is reduced on a regular basis--usually yearly--until a county is smoke-free. If one disagrees, there is no recourse electorally. JACK: <em>I am a very hardline libertarian and support Ron Paul for President…but cigarette smoke in public places is an assault on my person.</em> The absurdity of your statements should be evident. Any libertarian--hardline or not--would have omitted the rest of the comment after "but...cigarette smoke..." You spend the first six words claiming to be a libertarian and the rest of the comment providing the proof that you are no such thing. Nice try, though. L. NEIL: Exactly. Bravo! That being said, thanks to all three of you for taking the time to stop by and comment. MARK:

“Last I heard, people were still free to go into bars that permit smoking, whether or not there are signs at the front door, and people were still free to smoke or not as they choose.”

If that were true everywhere, then there would be NO problem. However, in the county next to me, there is no choice: smoking is banned in bars, restaurants and all public places. In our county, public health officials (who control the particulars of the smoking ban county-wide and are unelected) are moving next to outlawing smoking in all bars next–one of the last places left where people have a choice. In almost every instance, smoking bans are begun reasonably enough: with no-smoking sections provided in restaurants and other referenced public places. Then, once the ban is established, the number of establishments where smoking is allowed is reduced on a regular basis–usually yearly–until a county is smoke-free. If one disagrees, there is no recourse electorally.

JACK:

I am a very hardline libertarian and support Ron Paul for President…but cigarette smoke in public places is an assault on my person.

The absurdity of your statements should be evident.

Any libertarian–hardline or not–would have omitted the rest of the comment after “but…cigarette smoke…” You spend the first six words claiming to be a libertarian and the rest of the comment providing the proof that you are no such thing. Nice try, though.

L. NEIL:

Exactly. Bravo!

That being said, thanks to all three of you for taking the time to stop by and comment.

]]> By: L. Neil Smith http://deathby1000papercuts.com/2008/05/nanny-state-personal-freedom-ends-where-the-smoke-nazis-hold-sway/comment-page-1/#comment-1069 L. Neil Smith Wed, 21 May 2008 12:48:37 +0000 http://deathby1000papercuts.com/?p=945#comment-1069 I quit smoking 15 years ago, but I have nothing against individuals who still smoke, and I rather enjoy being in places where they do. Most anti-smokers are inclined to scream bloody murder if they see smoke 100 yards away through three layers of glass. That's not because smoke is all that annoying. It's because they are bigots and neopuritans who would be screaming about something else, if tobacco had never been discovered. The fact that some say "I'm a libertarian, but ... " should tell you everything you need to know about these shriveled souls who, as H.L. Mencken told us, wake up in the middle of the night trembling in fear that somewhere, someone is happy. I quit smoking 15 years ago, but I have nothing against individuals who still smoke, and I rather enjoy being in places where they do. Most anti-smokers are inclined to scream bloody murder if they see smoke 100 yards away through three layers of glass. That’s not because smoke is all that annoying. It’s because they are bigots and neopuritans who would be screaming about something else, if tobacco had never been discovered. The fact that some say “I’m a libertarian, but … ” should tell you everything you need to know about these shriveled souls who, as H.L. Mencken told us, wake up in the middle of the night trembling in fear that somewhere, someone is happy.

]]> By: Jack Sanderson http://deathby1000papercuts.com/2008/05/nanny-state-personal-freedom-ends-where-the-smoke-nazis-hold-sway/comment-page-1/#comment-1067 Jack Sanderson Wed, 21 May 2008 08:44:15 +0000 http://deathby1000papercuts.com/?p=945#comment-1067 I am a very hardline libertarian and support Ron Paul for President...but cigarette smoke in public places is an assault on my person. Before the laws were made, I confronted many jackasses who thought they could light up in my presence without asking me first if I would mind. You have to understand just how angry other people get when they smell the pollution of a cigarette in what should be their fresh air. Now you can say that a restaurant owner should be able to decide for himself or herself. I agree only insofar as the restaurant owner has no employees who need money and are told that they must work in the smoke. I hope you don't think that asbestos companies had the right to sell asbestos? I hope you don't think that workers who worked with asbestos should have just known better but chose to kill themselves. Why not complain about IMBRA, which is the new Nanny State law that says that American men are rotten and, therefore, all foreign women who want to meet Americans online must read and sign the American's criminal background check? The feminists are saying that men who want to meet foreign women are like smokers polluting the environment and in need of regulation. They have less of a leg to stand on by saying that then others do when they say that second hand smoke is disgusting and needs to stop assaulting innocent third parties. I am a very hardline libertarian and support Ron Paul for President…but cigarette smoke in public places is an assault on my person. Before the laws were made, I confronted many jackasses who thought they could light up in my presence without asking me first if I would mind. You have to understand just how angry other people get when they smell the pollution of a cigarette in what should be their fresh air. Now you can say that a restaurant owner should be able to decide for himself or herself. I agree only insofar as the restaurant owner has no employees who need money and are told that they must work in the smoke. I hope you don’t think that asbestos companies had the right to sell asbestos? I hope you don’t think that workers who worked with asbestos should have just known better but chose to kill themselves. Why not complain about IMBRA, which is the new Nanny State law that says that American men are rotten and, therefore, all foreign women who want to meet Americans online must read and sign the American’s criminal background check? The feminists are saying that men who want to meet foreign women are like smokers polluting the environment and in need of regulation. They have less of a leg to stand on by saying that then others do when they say that second hand smoke is disgusting and needs to stop assaulting innocent third parties.

]]> By: Mark In Irvine http://deathby1000papercuts.com/2008/05/nanny-state-personal-freedom-ends-where-the-smoke-nazis-hold-sway/comment-page-1/#comment-1057 Mark In Irvine Tue, 20 May 2008 23:45:32 +0000 http://deathby1000papercuts.com/?p=945#comment-1057 My God - all that from one sign? Last I heard, people were still free to go into bars that permit smoking, whether or not there are signs at the front door, and people were still free to smoke or not as they choose. [You should try California - smoking is prohibited in any place of public business, but smokers still manage to enjoy their cigarettes.] I personally have no problem with people smoking if that's what they want. I do have a problem with people blowing smoke on me or so filling the air (in some place where smoking is banned) that it gets on me, my clothes, my hair, etc. Is there anything wrong with "the population" i.e., voters, being able to set aside places where smoking is prohibited, so that those of us who don't want to encounter it in restaurants can look forward to having a smoke-free place? Most places that are now "smoke-free" have designated places where smokers can enjoy their tobacco. Is that such a problem? Mark In Irvines last blog post..<a href="http://huntingsittingducks.blogspot.com/2008/05/which-sports-car-are-you.html" rel="nofollow">Which Sports Car are You?</a> My God – all that from one sign? Last I heard, people were still free to go into bars that permit smoking, whether or not there are signs at the front door, and people were still free to smoke or not as they choose. [You should try California - smoking is prohibited in any place of public business, but smokers still manage to enjoy their cigarettes.] I personally have no problem with people smoking if that’s what they want. I do have a problem with people blowing smoke on me or so filling the air (in some place where smoking is banned) that it gets on me, my clothes, my hair, etc. Is there anything wrong with “the population” i.e., voters, being able to set aside places where smoking is prohibited, so that those of us who don’t want to encounter it in restaurants can look forward to having a smoke-free place? Most places that are now “smoke-free” have designated places where smokers can enjoy their tobacco. Is that such a problem?

Mark In Irvines last blog post..Which Sports Car are You?

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