The Church of England’s Spitting Vicar & Muslim Mosques
The Case of the Spitting Vicar has come to end with the order given by the Church of England to the Reverend Tom Ambrose to vacate his position as head of St. Mary and St. Michael Church in Trumpington, Cambridgeshire, England. While the Church spent five days holding hearings over the spitting vicar matter, the Church is facing an even bigger problem: dealing with the influx of mosque-building Muslims.
The Church held five days of hearings where allegations were heard that Ambrose used slide shows instead of sermons, burned excessive incense to the point of parishioners becoming ill, chopped down trees without permission, argued over the date of the Harvest Festival Supper and spit at “unruly” churchgoers. Ambrose was also accused of being adversarial with members of his congregation by means of emails and letters. Today the Church ordered Ambrose to vacate his post.
While the Church of England spent five days of hearings in order to discuss the dismissal of one of its Vicars the Times of India reported in January that for the first time more Muslims attend mosque prayers once a week, the estimated number at 930,000, to Church of England attendees, 916,000 Anglicans.
On April 1, Alison Ruoff, a prominent evangelical member of the church, called for the UK to ban the building of any new mosques. Ms. Ruoff spoke about Muslims and British mosques during an interview on Premier Christian Radio.
“We have only in this country as far as we know, 3.5 to four million Muslims. There are enough mosques for Muslims in this country, they don’t need anymore.
“We don’t need to have Sharia law which would come with more mosques imposed upon our nation, if we don’t watch out, that would happen. If we want to become an Islamic state, this is the way to go.
“You build a mosque and then what happens? You have Muslim people moving into that area, all the shops will then become Islamic, all the housing will then become Islamic and as the Bishop of Rochester has so wisely pointed out, that will be a no-go area for anyone else.
“They will bring in Islamic law. We cannot allow that to happen.â€
Inayat Bunglawalla
From the Guardian, Muslim spokesman Inayat Bunglawalla responded to Ms. Ruoff’s remarks saying British Muslims should be “somewhat relieved” that she didn’t call for them to be compulsorily sterilized. Bungawalla argued that the funding of the mosques by “oil money financing” was okay since “oil money” also financed horse racing, gambling, and defense industries.
Financed by “oil money” means the mosques are underwritten not by some nebulous group of rich oil barons but by a foreign government, the Saudis. This translates into a foreign country sponsoring a religion, building mosques in another country. The Saudis also underwrite the mosques built in the United States. No other “religion” has this type of largess, a foreign country building churches in other countries, which equates to “state sponsored” religion on foreign soil.
In 2007 it was discovered that the Saudi government had distributed extremist literature to mosques and Islamic centers in the UK which called for violence against the “enemies of Islam” including “gays and women who demand equal rights”.
A report written by the Think-Tank Policy Exchange titled “The Hijacking of British Islam: How Extremist Literature is Subverting Britain’s Mosques” describes over 80 books and pamphlets found at nearly 100 Islamic institutions which included leading mosques in 2007 and 2008.
There were demands to kill gays and women to be subjugated, much worse than a figurative “spit” in the eye. Comments included “Jews and Christians are enemies of the Muslim”.
The Saudis have found an extremely slick way to spread extremist Islam propaganda preaching hatred inside the mosques they’ve built in other countries. When this type of propaganda is exposed there is no attempt to deny, instead political correctness is utilized with cries of racism and sterilization such as Bungawalla’s attempt to color Ms. Ruoff as a later day Neo-Nazi.
The Reverend Ambrose, with his bad habit of spitting on congregationists and slide shows instead of sermons, has been served his walking papers while inside British mosques Muslims are being taught to hate the very country they reside in, funded by the Saudi oil money, the within enemy, funded from without.
By LBG
Source – NewsMax – Literature in UK Mosques Tied to Saudis
Source - Times Online – ‘No More Mosques’ says Synod member
Source – Times of India – Muslims Outpace Anglicans in UK
Source – “Spitting” Vicar Ordered to leave Parish
Source – Guardian – No More Mosques?
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I am impressed with the Ignorance expressed in articles on this Site.
Starting with Can A Muslim be a Good American?
I would assure you
That A War Hero, College Graduate with a Grad School Diploma(s) and numerous certificates are held by this American Born Muslim; and by other Muslims, born around the World, now residents, citizens and contributors to this society. It the impressive action, the honesty, the integrity that has pushed thousand, yes 34,000+ since 9-11-2001 to become American Muslim. Only Allah knows what the out come will be, but, i am sure that was not what GW Bush intended.
Talk heads, likw GW Bush and others, like you, people that do not under stand that you can say someone or everyone is a terrorist. The only fear of the word is unltimately left to the one that spread it for he (or she) will be found out and end up discraced or fools.
As I said fool me once fool me twice, the third time to be fooled is truely a fool.
I will leave with a comment, less caustic than the one you left for me.
The problem(s) that I see in christainity are three fold
(1) Accepance of Paul, the man of hour, disclaim every last thing that the Prophet Jesus said to do.
(2) The Pope burning Bibles for 700-800 years telling the people to check with their Priest to find out what it said?
(3) Christians, that swear their Christian have never read the Bible Cover to Cover (which I do annually)
and have not discovered that what they have been or are being told is not written in the Book (The Bible)?
(4) Evangelics and Some other Christians aggressively push their religion dow the throats of the unwilling?
It amases me that you do not call it the Pauline Church and pay to Paul (Saul) as well.
Have a nice day, Allah willing.
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In response to the Church of Englands Spiting Vicar Article
I would have to agree with part of your premise, as a Muslim, the restricting of the owner ship of Mosque to the Citizen of the Country is totaly in order.
Hear in the United States, we have approximately 1,200 owned by the Saudia King, who conducts himself in questionable ways, directing his appointed Imam’s from the Islamic Brotherhood to purposes that I or you cannot find in the Quran. the Hadith or in the Sunni.
With respect to the Church of England frankly it is Dead, no one has came to that realiztion yet, so they have bured it.
As to the building of more Mosques, and attempt by some to want to restrict the building of them? I am amazed once again,
at the stupidity of the sugesstion. What you should do first is to get get a life and stop threatening your Muslim communities.
When you push people to long or to hard, they may come to under stand that rejection and take it the wrong way.
(MA Ed Psych). In the case of citizens of England, coming to your building department(s) requesting permits to build Mosques the will be owned, operated and controlled (owned by) English citizens….I would only suggest that you grant them there rights or turn over Church of England building to them.
Second, the Muslim community in England make up 90% plus percent of the strongest believers in (Allah) God, the same God that the Church of England (supposedly believes in). While even I will admit we are not all perfect, but I would suggest that my belief in God (God), aws with Muslims in England, is such, that I can trust my Muslim brothers because of my Faith.
Yet, at the same time, my cousin that is an English Citiziten by birth and I do not know him well enough to trust him. Some needs to get up a go and vist a Mosque, you might just like it if you allow yourself, Hell I invited too.
The driving issue here is that when you remove the right(s) individual, without changing the laws applying to everyone, you
promoting action that you will not like. Actionm of this nature have in the past created such individs a Gorge Washington, Nathan Hale or Francis Scott Key, people referred to as Patriots today, but they terrorist in the eyes of every Britain of the day.
Get a Life, let us live and we have been told to let you live the the Quran and by Muhammad PBUH. Get a Life
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Boyd Kidd:
Starting with Can A Muslim be a Good American?
I would assure you
That A War Hero, College Graduate with a Grad School Diploma(s) and numerous certificates are held by this American Born Muslim; and by other Muslims, born around the World, now residents, citizens and contributors to this society. It the impressive action, the honesty, the integrity that has pushed thousand, yes 34,000+ since 9-11-2001 to become American Muslim. Only Allah knows what the out come will be, but, i am sure that was not what GW Bush intended.
Your accomplishments listed above? You have reason to be justly proud.
We have no problems with ANY Muslim (or any other race, creed, color, gender, or whatever other way they’re separating folks out these days) who is an America FIRST. There are Muslims in the small community I live in and they are great people.
It is to these truly moderate Muslims–who are concerned with living a good life, raising a family the right way and working to get ahead–that the future of Islam depends. If the moderates don’t speak out and marginalize the hotheads, then others will have to do it. It would be reassuring if more moderate voices were raised against terrorism WITHOUT QUALIFICATION or RESERVATION. No hemming or hawwing around. Just condemn violence in the name of Allah.
That’s it.
Too many speak up, but it is to remind me of events which happened 800, 1000 even 1300 years ago. I wasn’t around and can’t change the past. But I can raise my voice today about things which happen–or may happen today. I can’t speak for the Europeans or English or other countries: the people don’t have much of a voice there, to my way of thinking. We have to raise a ruckus here to make sure that what’s happened to Europe won’t happen over here.
In the meantime, I hope all men of good will get along. I also hope for the lion to lay down with the lamb, but I’m not putting any money on it right now. There’s issues that people of faith may disagree on–that’s why they call it faith. I don’t think anyone ought to be prosecuted or persecuted for what they believe–and that includes someone who’s a Methodist deciding to be a Buddhist, or a Catholic deciding to switch to Islam, or visa versa.
That being said, Thanks for taking the time and leaving such thought-provoking comments. Have a good one.
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Just to add a post script.
This is not about converting your English citizens to becoming Muslims. That is left totally in there hand.
Allah God said, Invite them and be done with it. That leaves me atleast, with clear marching instruction to invite people (help them with information, to understand, etc) and get out of the way. Allah (God) Said, I created my Religion, I will be responsible for it and not entrust it to anyone else………leaving or at least in my mind setting the stage.
I can also understand to a degree the White Anglo Saxon Paranoia about alowing anyone else to practice their Religion
any where in the world, much less in England, the United Kingdom (note The Dead Kingdom awaiting it’s burial).
But, went you, the English Citizen(s) make laws to live by, that are recognised to be great & open laws often adopting them. They, English Cistizen(s) should not fortget them, educate is citizen(s) in them, and understand that others have equal rights under those laws. And they, failing to gant or assure those rights will lead you to a place that most educated people(s) do not want to go.
I am not writting this to likes of GW Bush who I personally find to a complete and total Ignorant sublevel Human being
that runs around the world committing Terrorist acts.
I am writing this to the attention of people that I feel there is still hope for in the future. Please notice that I did suggest hope that you would become MJuslims or any thing else beyond reaching a state of Civiliity under Law(s)
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